Thoughts on Sweet Pea vs GGG

[Boxing_1013]

Again fella, I ain’t wasting anymore time with your childish, delusional and bias nonsense.

If you wanna keep comparing Jacobs, Lemieux then be my guest.😂

The majority of people in this thread disagree with you as would any knowledgeable boxing fan.

There’s a very famous Mark Twain quote that sums up this debate...

This...😂😂😂😂

Sincerely sorry if I hurt your feelings bud...wasn't intended...I keep being rather nice to ya and you keep being upset lol...oh well.

Yes reminds me of a famous quote about what happens in a debate when one resorts to name-calling...

And as Einstein said...if I was really wrong, it only takes one person to point it out...you tried throwing out Jeff Fenech as evidence of your argument that PW's resume is way better lol...I mean OK man, if that's what ya got, go for it lol.

Seems like deep down maybe you are a bit embarrassed that you made a poor argument, and that you can't make a better one...and that something you really want to be true, maybe isn't.

If someone wowed me with all this stuff I didn't know about PW's run, I would take it in and perhaps alter my opinion...though of course I've studied most eras anyway so it is a bit of a moot point.

I certainly have my points in line before I make them...but have been wrong before, and will be wrong again..but yeah as stated prior, many on here seem to overrate, both skill-wise and accomplishment wise, past fighters...just what I've seen from studying different eras and comparing them to today's guys.

A lot of it is the added scrutiny guys face in this era, and also just the in the moment scrutiny guys always face when they are active...once guys are retired and gone, they tend to be viewed more favorably.

'Oh this guy...no he sucks!...he was never even as good as GGG' lol...I can hear those arguments now...some people on here just don't want to score fights accurately or evaluate fighters objectively...they skew everything to suit how they want it to be.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Sincerely sorry if I hurt your feelings bud...wasn't intended...I keep being rather nice to ya and you keep being upset lol...oh well.

Yes reminds me of a famous quote about what happens in a debate when one resorts to name-calling...

And as Einstein said...if I was really wrong, it only takes one person to point it out...you tried throwing out Jeff Fenech as evidence of your argument that PW's resume is way better lol...I mean OK man, if that's what ya got, go for it lol.

Seems like deep down maybe you are a bit embarrassed that you made a poor argument, and that you can't make a better one...and that something you really want to be true, maybe isn't.

If someone wowed me with all this stuff I didn't know about PW's run, I would take it in and perhaps alter my opinion...though of course I've studied most eras anyway so it is a bit of a moot point.

I certainly have my points in line before I make them...but have been wrong before, and will be wrong again..but yeah as stated prior, many on here seem to overrate, both skill-wise and accomplishment wise, past fighters...just what I've seen from studying different eras and comparing them to today's guys.

A lot of it is the added scrutiny guys face in this era, and also just the in the moment scrutiny guys always face when they are active...once guys are retired and gone, they tend to be viewed more favorably.

'Oh this guy...no he sucks!...he was never even as good as GGG' lol...I can hear those arguments now...some people on here just don't want to score fights accurately or evaluate fighters objectively...they skew everything to suit how they want it to be.

Desperate to have the last word are we?

Sad little man...

You ain’t worth the time. Keep writing those essays...

[Boxing_1013]

Desperate to have the last word are we?

Sad little man...

You ain’t worth the time. Keep writing those essays...

You're in my thread man...and I'm 6'2 210...or 215 today maybe lol...so yeah 'jog on mate' as you guys like to say over there.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You're in my thread man...and I'm 6'2 210...or 215 today maybe lol...so yeah 'jog on mate' as you guys like to say over there.

Absolutely desperate...😂

[just the facts]

Jacobs' best win is pretty obviously Derevychenko.

Yes...I said Gomez was a very good win for Nelson...his next best win, according to you, is over Jeff Fenech...saying based on that, that he is 10x better than Danny Jacobs who is a MW world champion, and to steal your phrase - went toe to toe with the great Canelo Alvarez in his prime - I mean again you seem like you are guilty of what many on here do, which is to prop up some very good past fighters above what they did relative to achievement...

I would even say Geale in his prime was a better fighter than Fenech, and Jacobs, prime vs prime, is probably better than Geale.

I mean I never thought I would see people really getting emotional and swearing that a win over Jeff Fenech is indicative of someone being a great fighter, but a win over Danny Jacobs or Sergei Derevchenko (who is Danny's best win btw) is not...bizarre lol...and that anyone who disagrees doesn't know boxing lol.

But keep thinking you are this oracle of boxing and know it all I guess man.

Saying you feel Fenech to be a better fighter than Jacobs...that is your opinion, I've seen worse ones...I disagree with it of course...but it is reasonable to feel that way I guess...but even then you said it like it's a fact, and it's not lol.

And then you're crying like a baby because someone puts Nelson and Jacobs, rather appropriately I would say, in the same category - not the top of the elite but a rung or two below - if you view Nelson above him, that's cool...but citing Jeff Fenech as evidence why, well any neutral jury in the world would say you haven't proven your case, counselor.

Your ignorant bull$hyte apparently has no limits. First Murray and LeMew are on par with HOFer and ATG Azumah Nelson and now Geale is better than HOFer and ATG Jeff Fenech. Surely you must realize how dumb this is..............

[GhostofDempsey]

Bro... Nelson is 10x the fighter Jacobs was. Jacobs best win is Peter Quilin. Nelson beat great fighters like Wilfredo Gomez! If you’re seriously comparing Danny Jacobs to Azumah Nelson then you DKSAB.

Even Jeff Fenech is a better fighter than Jacobs, Fenech was a 3 weight world champion. He was no all time great but he was a good fighter and is a IBHOF’er.

Who was Fenech best win, a washed up Zarate? Who was Nelson’s best wins....Fenech, Ruelas, Leija?

[Boxing_1013]

Absolutely desperate...😂

Bro all my comments/responses are made with substance...I'm on here to debate and talk boxing, so all my responses are designed with that in mind.

Meanwhile...you're in my thread, and for like the 3rd or 4th straight post, you reply like a woman with a little short-nothing reply, and then accuse me of trying to get the last word lol.

It's weird...you are not really covering yourself in glory here bud...usually you're a lot better than this...true colors coming through I suppose.

Your ignorant bull$hyte apparently has no limits. First Murray and LeMew are on par with HOFer and ATG Azumah Nelson and now Geale is better than HOFer and ATG Jeff Fenech. Surely you must realize how dumb this is..............

I honestly don't even really care about the whole discussion man lol..it is rather silly to me...and again it was probably about 10% of the point of the thread I made and the discussion I hoped to have.

And again, I put Jacobs and SD more on that level with Nelson and Buddy...and for the record, I didn't put them above that level or even at that level...just said they were more or less the same level...if that is like crazy to say, idk what people are watching man...I really don't lol.

And to be real - Nelson gets a lot of hype because he is one of the best boxers to come out of Africa...he was a really good fighter for sure...but imo a bit overhyped due to that...imo he has a great win over Gomez...and then....

And similar with Fenech, he is overhyped for me because he was a higher level than what Australia is used to having...he is probably top 5 for them for God's sake...and that isn't a compliment really lol...if he doesn't get in the hall of fame, no Aussies are lol

He also is a multi-weight champion this is true...but at really low weights, and with like 5 belts man...not to mention he fought all his fights at home basically...I never really rate guys who coast at home like that...and at SFW, where he fought Nelson, he had had like 3 total fights and was like a .500 fighter.

Like I just can't really see the logic of putting him up on a pedestal relative to those guys...you could put him at about the level of Geale/Lemieux or Murray, that's fine, I don't really care lol.

This is not really a debate I care about at all lol but if people want to swear on Jeff Fenech go ahead lol.

[Boxing_1013]

Who was Fenech best win, a washed up Zarate? Who was Nelson’s best wins....Fenech, Ruelas, Leija?

Good points...

I would probably say Gomez for Nelson...but even then, Nelson was an established FW while Gomez had just moved up...and Gomez had only had 2 real fights after that one, with one being a 15 RD MD 'win' at home in Puerto Rico...and then the 2nd being a KO loss to Alfredo Layne.

So yeah I just really don't get the logic of some guys on here...but oh well lol.

[joseph5620]

Who was Fenech best win, a washed up Zarate? Who was Nelson’s best wins....Fenech, Ruelas, Leija?

This ignoramous has never heard of Wilfredo Gomez. ATG and hall of famer that Nelson also beat as well as the three world champions he's trying to downplay

[joseph5620]

Good points...

I would probably say Gomez for Nelson...but even then, Nelson was an established FW while Gomez had just moved up...and Gomez had only had 2 real fights after that one, with one being a 15 RD MD 'win' at home in Puerto Rico...and then the 2nd being a KO loss to Alfredo Layne.

So yeah I just really don't get the logic of some guys on here...but oh well lol.

Gomez is a better win on Nelson's resume than anybody on Golovkin's Jacobs, Lemieux's, or Murray's combined. No amount of your fantasizing and attempt to rewrite history is going to change that

Comparing Whitaker's career to Golovkin's is asinine and if you're wondering why I "disappear" it's because I don't waste too much time on this type of ignorance.