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    #11
    Boxing has always been the ultimate outcome based sport. You used to get credit for winning. Nowadays we have a bunch of "fans" that put more emphasis on everything but the outcome. Then if the outcome is different than what they hoped for, they question the legitimacy of the fight.

    Wilder was getting outboxed, he was down on the cards, and BOOM, ended the fight. His performance was outstanding because he managed to win a fight by KO that he was clearly losing. If you know Wilder and Ortiz, the fight played out as expected given Ortiz is the more technically skilled fighter.

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      #12
      I like Wilder but it's not like watching a prime Holyfield. In Holyfield's day no matter what they turned into engaging wars. None of this staying out at the end of the jab. But in Wilders defense fighters do not go after him because of the fear of being knocked out by counter right hand. If you are looking for a pressure Chavez sr type fighter it's not Wilder. Some think Mayweather is boring.

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        #13
        I think Wilder knows his identity. He is a pure power puncher. He looks for a KO in every fight he’s in and he is fully capable of pulling it off. I think he knows that he isn’t a great boxer.

        Because he believes in his power and ability to score KOs, he will gladly give away rounds and he doesn’t care. It’s part of his game plan. All he really has to do, is have a tight defense, stay patient, look for openings, and throw when he’s ready.

        He’s not even that accurate with his shots to be honest. But it still doesn’t matter. All he needs is the one shot. Even against Fury. Fury did outbox him, but he still landed the shot he needed to and ultimately it saved his ass. I think the moment got to Wilder in that fight. He wasn’t patient and he was too nervous in that fight and it showed. But Fury did make Wilder look bad. Worse than any other fighter has.

        Wilder isn’t going to win decisions. It’s either a KO for him, or he loses a decision. Really what he needs to do is protect himself better. I think he has done a good job at remaining calm and patient. Even losing rounds against Ortiz, he never got away from what he wanted to do and he stayed patient and waited. That’s what he needs to do. If he fights Fury the same way he did the first time around, I think he will lose. If he stays patient and is selective with his shots, I think the moment or moments will come against Fury.

        I think it was a good performance against Ortiz. Ultimately, it was mission accomplished.

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          #14
          It was good because it shows he still has that fight ending right hand.

          No one legitimately thinks that Wilder is going to go into a fight outboxing or outpointing a guy unless the other person is gunshy. He doesn't box in a points style fashion.

          Wilder is not a boxer puncher he is 100% a puncher only. He waits on the outside trying to avoid any big shot and is only looking to drop that hammer of a right on someone.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Tails View Post
            It was good because it shows he still has that fight ending right hand.

            No one legitimately thinks that Wilder is going to go into a fight outboxing or outpointing a guy unless the other person is gunshy. He doesn't box in a points style fashion.

            Wilder is not a boxer puncher he is 100% a puncher only. He waits on the outside trying to avoid any big shot and is only looking to drop that hammer of a right on someone.
            What’s crazy about Wilder is that he’s so basic. He is the most basic boxer in the game right now. He really only has 2 or 3 combinations. He does the same thing over and over and it works. He will throw 1-2-3. 1-2. 2-3. He occasionally throws to the body and every once in a while, I’ll see him throw uppercuts. It still works for him. That’s how amazing his power is. And it’s a straight right hand too. It’s always the straight right. All you need to do is avoid the straight right and you’ll be fine. It’s so simple.

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              #16
              I’ll say it was a great result but not a great performance. He knocked Ortiz senseless but up until that point he looked poor even by his standards. But the result matters the most.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Joe Beamish View Post
                Wilder did 100% what he wanted to do. He set up Ortiz.

                Good performance.
                I disagree. If he was trying to set him up, he would have landed a meaningful shot before round 7. It’s not in anyone’s plan to lose 7 rounds. He did however, take the opportunity when presented to him. Ortiz got complacent and made a mistake, and wilder capitalized...it was bound to happen somewhere in the fight tho.

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                  #18
                  Even though he was losing rounds, there was definitely no schooling going on. The rounds were still for the most part competitive, but Ortiz was a bit more active and landed the better shot or two of almost all the rounds. But Wilder is not going to be able to win rounds off talented/skilled fighters like Ortiz/Fury. Just doesn't have that type of boxing ability, but he was able to land the shot he was looking for and that's all it took.

                  So in terms of good or bad performance...I don't know. Pretty much just a typical Wilder performance when the competition level goes up?

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                    #19
                    If he intended to bait Ortiz all those rounds and then the opportunity of that KO came as planned, then fine it’s a good performance or rather good plan (though risky)

                    If he was trying to look for a KO from the start while getting outboxed every round then a lucky opportunity for that KO punch just came (not planned) then I’d say it was a terrible performance with a dose of luck coming in to Wilder’s favor

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                      #20
                      You make a VERY good point about how screwed Wilder is if he somehow hurts the right badly in a fight. He's a sitting duck at that point. It's crazy that we have an undefeated champion who has also lost more rounds than any other heavyweight champion in history. It feels like the Dallas Cowboys back in the day. You knew they were gonna give it to Smith but you still couldn't do anything about it. You know Wilder is setting up one shot the whole fight but you still can't do anything about it.

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