What EXACTLY is a RIGHT CROSS

[aboutfkntime]

guys...

go to this thread...

Rate the levels of these fighters...
//krikya360.com/forums/s...d.php?t=832520

and ask Jalen Rose (Boxing1013), the thread starter... how could he be ****** enough to create a thread "educating" fans about levels, after posting the following laughable nonsense...

thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....

I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
//krikya360.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918

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thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....

never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...

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thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda

I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
//krikya360.com/forums/s...2#post19903762

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thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs

Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...
//krikya360.com/forums/s...9#post20112309

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thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....

Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
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and ask him why he needs to keep switching posters on/off ignore whenever he feels the need to create yet another silly fanboy thread?

kick that soy-boy fool in his vaglna

[Boxing_1013]

no, you keep me off ignore until you have this overwhelming need to create yet another dopey casual-fan thread... after which you immediately place me on ignore... rinse wash repeat... other posters have already called you out about it

you are a Grade-A bltch... AND YOU KNOW IT

put it this way... I know what you do, bltchboy LMAO

Nah actually I just occasionally scroll through a thread and see your name...and then click the 'show post' tab...and then I can see your post and respond to it...you've been on ignore for a while...or maybe not.

Mosley at his peak - then Mosley vs Canelo
Cotto at his peak - then Cotto vs Canelo
Kovalev at his peak - then Kovalev vs Canelo

Pac at his peak - then Pac vs Floyd
Canelo at his peak - then Canelo vs Floyd
Mosley at his peak - then Mosley vs Floyd

Gamboa at his peak - then Gamboa vs Tank

Go ahead and knock yourself out though since you love my threads so much...so everyone how you grade those guys champ

[aboutfkntime]

Boxing1013... the " expert " on levels... LMAO

Nah actually I just occasionally scroll through a thread and see your name...and then click the 'show post' tab...and then I can see your post and respond to it...you've been on ignore for a while...or maybe not.

Go ahead and knock yourself out though since you love my threads so much...so everyone how you grade those guys champ

kid, I am not participating in your casual-fan foolery

I already educated you about levels, yesterday

so yea, it is funny as fk to hear that you are suddenly an expert on levels today

you said this nonsense, you fool... there is no taking it back now




thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs

Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...
//krikya360.com/forums/s...9#post20112309

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thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda

I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
//krikya360.com/forums/s...2#post19903762

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thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....

Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
//krikya360.com/forums/s...820918&page=16

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thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....

I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
//krikya360.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918

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thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....

never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...

//krikya360.com/forums/s...d.php?t=824905

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go on kid, teach us more about levels LMAO

[Redd Foxx]

I've no clue how this gets to 3 pages on a boxing forum
(edit, now I see why)

[_Rexy_]

It's a counter punch.

[Articulateboxin]

I thought I knew but I looked it up. I was wrong The right cross is a counterpunch right hand that crosses over the opponents arm. If the opponent throws a jab and you slip it your right hand counter punch crosses over or under the extended arm of your opponent and hopefully lands on his chin. The straight right travels directly to the target.

Here's a link.

I've been wondering what the definition of a cross was for literally 10+ years. I remember trying to google it years ago, but the description made it sound like a straight. So it's actually a counter straight punch, over the top of your opponents arm - thank you!

[THC]

I don't think it matters when the punch is thrown. e.g. as a counter over a jab.

Whether in an orthodox or southpaw stance, the lead hand is the one closer to the opponent. Conversely, a cross is a straight punch with the rear hand.

Position a camera above a fighter's head, pointed straight down. Imagine a line between the hip joints and another between the shoulder joints. Before the punch is thrown, the two lines, transposed on top of each other, are roughly parallell. The mechanics of a rear cross is such that the upper body must twist, bringing the rear shoulder forward. The line between the shoulder joints "crosses" the line between the hip joints.

[Articulateboxin]

I don't think it matters when the punch is thrown. e.g. as a counter over a jab.

Whether in an orthodox or southpaw stance, the lead hand is the one closer to the opponent. Conversely, a cross is a straight punch with the rear hand.

Position a camera above a fighter's head, pointed straight down. Imagine a line between the hip joints and another between the shoulder joints. Before the punch is thrown, the two lines, transposed on top of each other, are roughly parallell. The mechanics of a rear cross is such that the upper body must twist, bringing the rear shoulder forward. The line between the shoulder joints "crosses" the line between the hip joints.

That very much sounds like a hook and an overhand though? If a boxer is standing side on, their rear shoulder will always come forward with either of those 2 punches and cross over their hips? (Especially if they follow through / punch through the targer properly). I'm guessing Martinez's ko of Paul Williams was a cross then, not an overhand? I thought I had it down with the video, but this just adds confusion for me

[THC]

That very much sounds like a hook and an overhand though? If a boxer is standing side on, their rear shoulder will always come forward with either of those 2 punches and cross over their hips?

Yes, punches with the rear hand will demonstrate this "cross" mechanics. But the 3 punches can be differentiated by their general trajectories: straight, horizontal arc, vertical arc. One other point of difference is that, in the hook, the fist travels a shorter distance than the others, relying far more on the pivot of the lead foot and the twist from the waist for its delivery.