Dillian Whyte right now...

[Cobra Curry]

Yes I understand that
Maybe it's also worth considering that his source was black market and he thought he was getting something else but what he got was "contaminated" with d'bol?!

Maybe.

As I said earlier, it'll all come out in the wash.

[Cobra Curry]

Wilder fought better fighters instead of Whyte.

Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury were the voluntary challengers he faced instead of Whyte.

It's like saying Andy Ruiz ducked Kownacki when he took the Joshua fight. It's not a duck if you fight someone better than the proposed opponent.

Dominic Breazeale was a mandatory, and Whyte became mandatory (temporarily) when he fought and won an eliminator. If Whyte had fought an eliminator earlier (Ortiz, Pulev) or taken the Joshua rematch when it was offered to him, he never would have been in there with Rivas in the first place.

From a technical standpoint, yes Ortiz is better but I think is fair to say that physically he is less able. His corner at the end of the 7th round was disturbing to see. I also believe that Whyte's left hook is at least as powerful a single shot as anything Ortiz has, not to mention he was offered far more to fight Whyte than he made for Ortiz.

Given Fury's problems out of the ring and his two "fights" prior to Wilder, the match came across as a bit of a strategic cherry pick to me, trying to catch a big name at the right time.

Then of course you have the infamous "I'll make you wait for two years" text message AFTER Whyte agreed to fight Ortiz first. All this fuss for a made to order Eurobum offering you millions to knock him out?

[thesmokingman]

Yes I understand that
Maybe it's also worth considering that his source was black market and he thought he was getting something else but what he got was "contaminated" with d'bol?!

That actually happens a bit with Chinese sourced PEDs. The quality is not as high as Russian sourced PEDs. Rodchenkov talked a bit about it in Icarus. When they shut down their manufacturing, they turned to China. They then had a rash of random positives due to dirty PEDs. It's a secret war between nationally funded doping programs. They prepare for the dope they are using, but can often get blindsided by dirty drugs. Get popped for something you did not plan for or didn't know what in the drugs already.

[Phenom]

From a technical standpoint, yes Ortiz is better but I think is fair to say that physically he is less able. His corner at the end of the 7th round was disturbing to see. I also believe that Whyte's left hook is at least as powerful a single shot as anything Ortiz has, not to mention he was offered far more to fight Whyte than he made for Ortiz.

Given Fury's problems out of the ring and his two "fights" prior to Wilder, the match came across as a bit of a strategic cherry pick to me, trying to catch a big name at the right time.

Then of course you have the infamous "I'll make you wait for two years" text message AFTER Whyte agreed to fight Ortiz first. All this fuss for a made to order Eurobum offering you millions to knock him out?

Charles Martin confused you guys you won't get Wilder to fight in UK and be B side as the champion

Whyte problem is he is gassed up probably by UK fans he thinks he has more pull than he actually does turning down final eliminators and title shots all while crying about not getting a title shot

[!! Anorak]

Imagine being Dillian Whyte right now. Needing Steroids AND loaded gloves and STILL not being able to knock your opponent down. Gives himself every advantage possible and still needs the home ref to jump in with phoney breaks in the 12th round. All that to beat a guy that nobody outside of Canada has ever heard of 115-112.


Pretty pathetic if you ask me

pretty, pretty pathetic.

Amazing how the guy is hung, drawn and quartered on here without the facts being established.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't look bad, but it's shocking how:

"Has failed a test, awaiting more details, doesn't look good"

goes to "He definitely roided up and had dodgy gloves."

[_Rexy_]

Amazing how the guy is hung, drawn and quartered on here without the facts being established.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't look bad, but it's shocking how:

"Has failed a test, awaiting more details, doesn't look good"

goes to "He definitely roided up and had dodgy gloves."

You said it yourself: he has failed a test. Facts are established.

[!! Anorak]

You said it yourself: he has failed a test. Facts are established.

We're still waiting for the B sample though, aren't we? And clarification of what that substance was.


So that's not a "fact" of steroids and loaded gloves.

[_Rexy_]

We're still waiting for the B sample though, aren't we? And clarification of what that substance was.


So that's not a "fact" of steroids and loaded gloves.

Fine.

Whyte needed Anabolic Steroids (Dbol) and potentially loaded gloves and still couldn’t knock Rivas down. Pathetic.


That better?

[Cobra Curry]

Charles Martin confused you guys you won't get Wilder to fight in UK and be B side as the champion

Whyte problem is he is gassed up probably by UK fans he thinks he has more pull than he actually does turning down final eliminators and title shots all while crying about not getting a title shot

B Side? Sorry I don't follow.

Wilder would have got the lion's of the money as any travelling champion would, Charles Martin included.
Speaking of Martin, Haymon also got options on Joshua's next two fights, sending over Breazeale and Molina, while Martin got the bag.

Where does B side come into it?

[_Rexy_]

B Side? Sorry I don't follow.

Wilder would have got the lion's of the money as any travelling champion would, Charles Martin included.
Speaking of Martin, Haymon also got options on Joshua's next two fights, sending over Breazeale and Molina, while Martin got the bag.

Where does B side come into it?

Breazelle was IBF mandatory.