Why do people rate Canelo's resume so high, even relative to GGG's?

[Boxing_1013]

We had these saw type of posters before GGG vs Canelo ever happened. The fights happened, and Canelo is still the better fighter. In other words these aren’t new and the reason we oblige it is so that people get bored of the idea that GGG performed on par as he was supposed to. That’s why the world P4P rankings are the way they are

Yeah but your appearance lately telling others what great posts they are making is playing the troll, alt. Gathering posters to agree with you is what gangstaism is all about.

I think however the LDBC are to blame for your cute actions. Though I never seen LDBC ride GGG like so...

How is the other Rene Box Young account going?

Man you are all over the place lol...I don't really follow tbh

[Boxing_1013]

Anyone who can put Golovkin and Canelo's resumes in the same sentence doesn't know much about boxing. Casuals are allowed to think that, tho, since they know very little about boxing.

War Boxing!

Lol...I broke down my specific thoughts on the resumes in the main thread...tbh I don't think there is really much refuting what I said...but as mentioned I think a lot of the site here is dominated by Canelo fans/GGG dislikers, and they have an deep need to try and slight GGG.

And honestly a lot of the talking points they put out there about GGG are not really backed up in reality from what I can tell...also a lot of the fawning over Canelo is greatly embellished as well (he is a great fighter though imo)...but hey truthfully a lot of people I think have their self-worth tied up in certain fighters doing well or not doing well...so asking them to be objective is a very tall task.

It's not really a big deal, but tbh 90% of this site has no real interest in being a real boxing fan...just supporting a certain narrative, regardless of what the data shows...no offense but from your posts bro I would certainly put you in that group

Aren't you the guy who said GGG should have been DQd against Rolls?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Man you are all over the place lol...I don't really follow tbh

Of course not. Dave Moretti is a pimp. He told me GGG fought skurred in the rematch. Gramps was mad mayne!

[Boxing_1013]

Dayam boxing1013 life mission is to defend ggg tomato can resume. He asks the question to troll everyone... It's like arguing someone why his god exists but my God doesn't. Emotions

Lol...not really man...I've just seen that same narrative put out on here many times...and to be honest I just don't agree with it or see it at all...nothing really to do about GGG...more about getting onto a boxing site, and seeing some head-scratching narratives put out on here...the truth though is that a lot of the strange takes I see on here are anti-GGG takes...and occasionally when I see some takes that are strange, I may make a thread or a comment to generate a discussion.

As I said in my OP...I broke it down name by name more or less...I don't really see where at the moment you can say Canelo's resume is way superior to GGG's...I mean people can say it, because it makes them feel better I guess...honestly to me it seems like a lot of people are really desperate to try and hate on GGG...and they can't hate on the KOs.

So they just talk about the resume...and because there are a lot of people who dislike GGG on here...that narrative can gain a lot of steam because it has a lot of people who want it to be true...but from an objective viewpoint I just don't really see it...certainly in comparison to almost every other resume I've seen in boxing.

When I actually look at the info, I think and have always thought that the who/what/where/when/how on GGG's resume is better than Canelo's...and again I'm not just being generic...I went into some detail and put them all into groups to show my thoughts.

Long story short...I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale Ouma Stevens Lemieux etc...if Canelo had done the same things GGG has done I would feel the same way...and tbh I think most people who dislike GGG would slight his resume if he had Canelo's exact resume.

I just try to look at the facts and call it like I see it...hopefully you do too

[TonyGe]

Serious question/thread...just never really understood the hype on Canelo's and hate on GGG's.

Even without the two GGG-Canelo fights with each other...let's just look at some names:

Canelo's good wins - Trout (never scored/watched it all), Lara (I had Canelo 7-5), Jacobs (7-5), Smith (good KO), Cotto (shot and at a higher than best weight...but good win), Kirkland (KO), Angulo (KO), Fielding (KO).

Canelo's OK wins - Lopez, Cintron, Chavez, Mosley, Baldomir, Khan.

GGG's good wins (besides Jacobs all KOs) - Jacobs (8-4 imo), Murray, Brook, Lemieux, Monroe, Geale, Macklin, Proksa, Ouma, Stevens, Vanes.

GGG's OK wins (all KOs) - Rosado, Adama, Rubio, Ishida, Rolls.

GGG has more good wins imo...and more dominant in most of those wins...winning by KO and hardly losing a round...and more OK/Good wins total, almost all by KO...compared to quite a few decisions for Canelo.

That's without even getting into the 2 Canelo-GGG fights which I felt were pretty straightforward wins for GGG...outlanding Canelo in 18/22 rounds (2 ties)...that's 80+% of the rounds that he was outlanding Canelo...pretty impressive on that for sure.

So genuinely - what am I missing?

Edit - not to mention the clear loss Canelo has to Mayweather...but I don't really slight him for that...he was pretty green then and it was not an ideal weight for him.

Canelo and his team are good at picking opponents that the public knows but their best days are behind them. That's how wins against flawed fighters with a name generate notoriety and fans for Canelo. Fans generate money. His fans generate lots of money. That translates into bargaining power at the negotiating table where he can get away with ridiculous stipulations. Canelo is a very good fighter and a shrewd business man.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I don't really see where at the moment you can say Canelo's resume is way superior to GGG's...I mean people can say it, because it makes them feel better I guess...

And people as of late reserved alts for when the Franchise King has the hype rinsed all day errrday cause of that W over GGG in gangsta rap denialism!

Canelo just too bad! We in dis thang, mayne!

[Boxing_1013]

the part that must always be remembered when comparing their resumes...is canelo is like 29...and lil g is like 37...

now canelo might end up retiring young since he will be so well off financially....but he still has plenty of time to do great things and add to his...which is already very good

lil g is 37 and basically fighting bums until someone forces canelo to fight him again...lil g has 3 good names on his and hes 1-1-1 with all fights being pretty close for the most part...he was supposed to be a killer that was going to end canelo "as we know him".....LOL

The first two paragraphs...I agree with lol...I agree also that GGG could have done more for his 'legacy' if he had stopped Canelo or Jacobs...but I do feel those fights, while competitive, were all pretty straightforward for GGG...and all I can say is I scored those fights the same way I always do...if Jacobs or Canelo fought like GGG and vice versa, I'm sure I would have had the same scores.

I do rate GGG pretty high, but if I saw someone beat him I would give that guy full credit I'm sure...because I know very likely they will have earned it...he is just a complete pro in my book and never stops working in the ring...so to beat him/outwork him would be very impressive, and I think would be easy for me to give that guy his due....I just haven't really seen it...certainly not for 12 rounds or 7.

As for the other names...if he was going 12 rounds with Macklin and Monroe, and getting dropped by Lemieux and Stevens etc en route to getting a KO or going 12...I would agree that he is/was overrated...but running through about 15 of those guys by KO I just think is really impressive.

I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them...and the only guy who maybe goes 12 with GGG and maybe legitimately wins on Canelo's resume imo is Lara...just my thoughts from looking at everything.

[Boxing_1013]

I enjoy boxing too. Your question is not bad and there's nothing wrong with an educated opinion.
I just get tired of the comments from the haters and the guys too ****** to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. :-)

Thanks my friend...I appreciate it...yeah there is a lot of fanaticism on here at times...we can all probably be a bit guilty of it...and it does seem like a lot of talking points are parroted by some groups on here...and sometimes those talking points in my opinion are not really backed up by the facts.

But when you have a large group all saying it, it can gain some traction as a credible opinion...and then when you press one member of that group on that opinion...you can tell imo that a lot of times those views are not really backed up by the 'facts'...they are just parroting what they want to be true.

I have always been kind of an independent thinker...so I always have looked at things myself and gathered my thoughts, rather than listening to the other views and just forming my own views that way...I'm the type of guy that 1 million people could tell me I was wrong and it wouldn't change my opinion.

But if just one person can show me 'why' my views may be off, I will of course change my opinions accordingly...there could be me vs a large percentage of people on this site on a given topic, but if I feel the facts back me up, I don't see why I should ameliorate my opinion lol...but thanks for your comments, I enjoy reading your posts on here generally, you have some good insights I think.

[RENE BOX YOUNG]

It's because of the names. Canelo has big names in his resume eventhough they are old out of prime names like Mosley, Cotto

[Boxing_1013]

Canelo and his team are good at picking opponents that the public knows but their best days are behind them. That's how wins against flawed fighters with a name generate notoriety and fans for Canelo. Fans generate money. His fans generate lots of money. That translates into bargaining power at the negotiating table where he can get away with ridiculous stipulations. Canelo is a very good fighter and a shrewd business man.

Well said Tony...you sum it up nicely and succinctly there