Comments Thread For: Dubois Praises Ruiz, Feels Critics Being Way Too Hard on Joshua

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DANIEL DUBOIS has told the critics to lay off his former Team GB amateur team-mate Anthony Joshua. Joshua shockingly lost his world heavyweight title to Andy Ruiz Jr at the weekend and immediately came under fire after being floored four times and stopped in seven rounds.
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[doom_specialist]

W. Klitschko lost to Corrie Sanders and then went on to have a legendary career. I'm sure Joshua can do it too, but he's going to need some better cardio.

[Bronx2245]

What happened to Anthony Joshua, and what did we learn from Andy Ruiz Jr.'s big upset?
Steve Kim
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2. Is Joshua's chin a problem?

At this point, it seems like a rhetorical question.

What looked to be an early night for Joshua after flooring Ruiz in Round 3, instead became the beginning of a Gotham City nightmare in Joshua's United States debut. As he came into close the show on Ruiz, Joshua was caught by a series of crisp counterpunches from Ruiz, who proved he too could punch.

Joshua was stunned by a left hook to the temple during an exchange in the same round and went down in an stunning turn of events. And then once again. And while he survived the round and had some moments thereafter, from that point on, he looked unsteady on his legs and more than that, unsure of his own durability.

Never had a man so strong looked so fragile.

It was an easy call for referee Michael Griffin. While Joshua was on his feet standing on a neutral corner after being knocked down twice more by Ruiz in Round 7, he had symbolically waved the white flag.

And while the result is surprising, the fact is that Joshua was buzzed numerous times, and he hit the canvas four times. We have seen that before. He was stunned in victories over Dillian Whyte and most recently against Alexander Povetkin. Two years ago, Joshua was knocked down by Wladimir Klitschko before stopping Klitschko in a great fight.

For all of his talent, it's clear that Joshua's chin is a flaw. Perhaps it was just a matter of when it was going to be totally exposed.

[MickG]

Rewatched the fight again today and while I tend to agree that Joshua didn't look right heading into the ring, I think the issue with Joshua wasn't his chin, it was down to the way his neck moved when he took that first shot to the top of the head. If you watch it back you can see what I'm talking about and you can also see that ruiz other hand was on Joshua's opposite shoulder to the side the punch travelled from. This causes a problem when the neck can't flex fully after an impact. Problem is that the combination of the impact combined with the sudden restriction of the natural reflex movement causes instantaneous swelling of the cervical spine. This swelling can restrict the flow of blood to the brain, which leads to cognitive reduction in the short term. Essentially a temporary form of vascular dementia. This is the impression I got from AJ from his behaviour in the corner between rounds, from his lack of attention to the ref before the stoppage, and from the way he was speaking and moving after the fight. Before someone trolls this by asking if I'm a doctor, I am but you don't need to be a doctor to recognise signs of this. It is a well known ailment of rugby and American football players. Not to be confused with concussion. I'll need to check again but I don't remember his corner icing the back of his neck between rounds, possibly another result of having an amateur level team in his corner.

[angkag]

W. Klitschko lost to Corrie Sanders and then went on to have a legendary career. I'm sure Joshua can do it too, but he's going to need some better cardio.

The assessment of early Wlad was 'lets his hands go too much and lacks stamina, dubious chin'.

Sounds familiar. Joshua not Wlad though, but he needs the sort of team Wlad had back then to get him through it, plus some quality time with Wlad himself to determine what he needs internally. He's at a crossroads, Wlad one way, Bruno the other.

[angkag]

Rewatched the fight again today and while I tend to agree that Joshua didn't look right heading into the ring, I think the issue with Joshua wasn't his chin, it was down to the way his neck moved when he took that first shot to the top of the head. If you watch it back you can see what I'm talking about and you can also see that ruiz other hand was on Joshua's opposite shoulder to the side the punch travelled from. This causes a problem when the neck can't flex fully after an impact. Problem is that the combination of the impact combined with the sudden restriction of the natural reflex movement causes instantaneous swelling of the cervical spine. This swelling can restrict the flow of blood to the brain, which leads to cognitive reduction in the short term. Essentially a temporary form of vascular dementia. This is the impression I got from AJ from his behaviour in the corner between rounds, from his lack of attention to the ref before the stoppage, and from the way he was speaking and moving after the fight. Before someone trolls this by asking if I'm a doctor, I am but you don't need to be a doctor to recognise signs of this. It is a well known ailment of rugby and American football players. Not to be confused with concussion. I'll need to check again but I don't remember his corner icing the back of his neck between rounds, possibly another result of having an amateur level team in his corner.

What's your assessment of Joshua's question to his corner at the end of the 6th of 'why do I feel like this ?'.

He's been hit hard and buzzed before, most noticeably by Klitschko, where the impact was far more forceful, so it seemed a bizarre and mildly worrying question.

[SteveM]

Rewatched the fight again today and while I tend to agree that Joshua didn't look right heading into the ring, I think the issue with Joshua wasn't his chin, it was down to the way his neck moved when he took that first shot to the top of the head. If you watch it back you can see what I'm talking about and you can also see that ruiz other hand was on Joshua's opposite shoulder to the side the punch travelled from. This causes a problem when the neck can't flex fully after an impact. Problem is that the combination of the impact combined with the sudden restriction of the natural reflex movement causes instantaneous swelling of the cervical spine. This swelling can restrict the flow of blood to the brain, which leads to cognitive reduction in the short term. Essentially a temporary form of vascular dementia. This is the impression I got from AJ from his behaviour in the corner between rounds, from his lack of attention to the ref before the stoppage, and from the way he was speaking and moving after the fight. Before someone trolls this by asking if I'm a doctor, I am but you don't need to be a doctor to recognise signs of this. It is a well known ailment of rugby and American football players. Not to be confused with concussion. I'll need to check again but I don't remember his corner icing the back of his neck between rounds, possibly another result of having an amateur level team in his corner.

Great post - here is someone bringing something NEW to the discussion - good on you.

For me he just seemed 'off' and if I have to put my finger on why I suppose the best word is he looked tentative. From the beginning actually but definitely after the first KD.

If he was suffering temporary cognitive impairment (or dementia) then his reaction time would surely fall by a very significant percentage and that is kryptonite for any sports person but especially a fighter.

I don't know if he threw even one uppercut which is the classic punch to deter a shorter boxer who is swarming you aggressively. But if he couldn't think correctly then no wonder he didn't.

Edit - why not tweet AJ or one of his team with that info?

[SteveM]

The assessment of early Wlad was 'lets his hands go too much and lacks stamina, dubious chin'.

Sounds familiar. Joshua not Wlad though, but he needs the sort of team Wlad had back then to get him through it, plus some quality time with Wlad himself to determine what he needs internally. He's at a crossroads, Wlad one way, Bruno the other.

That'd be a T-junction?

[SteveM]

What's your assessment of Joshua's question to his corner at the end of the 6th of 'why do I feel like this ?'.

He's been hit hard and buzzed before, most noticeably by Klitschko, where the impact was far more forceful, so it seemed a bizarre and mildly worrying question.

you're question along with the info in the post you responded to raise interesting wuestions.

I have to think that Povetkin, Whyte and Wlad all punch harder than Ruiz.

[uppercut510]

Rewatched the fight again today and while I tend to agree that Joshua didn't look right heading into the ring, I think the issue with Joshua wasn't his chin, it was down to the way his neck moved when he took that first shot to the top of the head. If you watch it back you can see what I'm talking about and you can also see that ruiz other hand was on Joshua's opposite shoulder to the side the punch travelled from. This causes a problem when the neck can't flex fully after an impact. Problem is that the combination of the impact combined with the sudden restriction of the natural reflex movement causes instantaneous swelling of the cervical spine. This swelling can restrict the flow of blood to the brain, which leads to cognitive reduction in the short term. Essentially a temporary form of vascular dementia. This is the impression I got from AJ from his behaviour in the corner between rounds, from his lack of attention to the ref before the stoppage, and from the way he was speaking and moving after the fight. Before someone trolls this by asking if I'm a doctor, I am but you don't need to be a doctor to recognise signs of this. It is a well known ailment of rugby and American football players. Not to be confused with concussion. I'll need to check again but I don't remember his corner icing the back of his neck between rounds, possibly another result of having an amateur level team in his corner.

thanks a lot for this info!