Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder-Fury II Was Close, Not Best Time For New Deal

[filup79]

Then it's not a valid example.

Espinoza hasn't gotten in the way of any fight the way ESPN and their backers are doing, ever. Nor do I think he would.

Espinoza isn't asking fighters to sign multi fight deals with PBC or Showtime in order for them to make a fight. GB, Arum and Hearn ask fighters to sign over options for future fights to fight their fighters most of the time, especially if they feel their fighter has a big chance of losing.

[R_Walken]

I think a Wilder rematch was Fury’s top priority until Arum got in his ear.

You think so

Arum/ Fury have supposedly been having talks since Sept so you’d think he knew for Months if he’d Take it

For me I just see Fury not really wanting the rematch but pretending he does to squeeze a little more from Top Rank

If he took the rematch, If he wins he’s got a strap and replaced Wilder as the man to fight AJ for everything at HW/ even if he went to Espn after the rematch you’d think he has more leverage

But he dodged a rematch at 50/50 and he gave up a chance to be involved in the biggest HW fight since forever and be looked at as the man of his era at HW.

He gave all that up to go to Espn to probably fight 2nd tiers for the next 2-2 1/2 years: I know hes getting paid crazy which I won’t knock.

I never think a fighters ducking its always about business and I’ve been here 5-6 years and not once said a fighters ducking, I’m a fan of Fury but can’t think that this it’s nothing but a straight duck because that 12th rd KD shook him and took his confidence away. So let’s Take the easy fights get paid ; avoid the rematch since most thought I won , not have the possibility having my soul completely taken out my chest and keep it moving.


Obviously I don’t know sh.it just a fan but how it all went down and what he’s potentially giving up as far as legacy. I cant think anything orher then hes swerving Wilder because that 12th round KD got in his head

[TexasCowBoy]

I remember when chickenson left HBO and the majority of the blacks defended his actions.....this is the only sport where you can root for your kind and I lLove This Sport.....so who came 1st ?? The chickenson or the deontayduckus......hopefully Espinosa keeps his advice and puts it into practice before he preaches

[OnePunch]

Tough break Steve......

It sucks when a fighter puts his career ahead of your networks agenda.........

[Ajvar]

According to Tyson Fury, he states that "The world knows I won the fight, as did you and your team (directed at Wilder). Fool me once shame on you but you wont fool me twice. Why would I go get robbed again on Showtime."

"Try not to fall like a pile of sht on a canvas TWICE next time, that's looking like it's ON YOU all the time."

[Batfink]

Espinoza isn't asking fighters to sign 2 or 3 fight deals in order to make the fight happen with any of the PBC fighters. They offered Fury a Wilder fight without him giving Showtime or PBC any guaranteed options of his future fights. Espn, GB and DAZN want you to sign a multiple fight deal to fight their fighters, so who really is making it hard to make fights?

We are talking big business now, without being inside the industry it’s not black and white on what’s going on and why. I don’t see a big issue with a multi fight deal with a large television broadcaster. You are given a platform and it can help build a profile and with the larger broadcasters a multi fight deal is an investment that is cultivated and protected.

A singular fight deal with any broadcaster doesn’t benefit from the same appetite or commitment.

The bottom line is how far you can look into your perspective future. Singular fight deals are tactical decisions, multi fight deals are strategic decision. The more regular exposure you can achieve on a platform can significantly contribute to raising your profile and creating that household name.

Right now Tyson fury can be all over ESPN without a fight he can be doing various activities that keep him front and centre across that network.

The big problem with these deals is timing of the big bouts. Tyson Fury is at beginning of his ESPN journey it makes 0 commercial sense to have him fight wilder now. Although for me I would like to see a trilogy between wilder/fury/Joshua right now for the next 3 years. ESPN have other ideas and if right now they can achieve x PPV they are fairly certain after 2-3 fights exposure on ESPN the PPV numbers could double quadruple for a fury wilder II.

I believe that Wilder may have missed a trick here. An interim bout gives him some serious exposure on ESPN and then just catapults him even higher for a fury rematch. I certainly think the deal was worth some serious consideration. Particularly because he is a champion he could be waving his belt at every opportunity on that platform and be seen in millions of homes across the US. He could watch any sport live that ESPN cover and he would get screen time.

My issue with boxing is when people actually call it a sport. It is absolutely not a sport and is 100% show business. It’s about entertainment and ticket sales the irony is that it can be argued that boxing is the most physically demanding when compared with any sport but this game is run as a business not as a sport. When big business is involved the best don’t fight the best at the best time.

[filup79]

We are talking big business now, without being inside the industry it’s not black and white on what’s going on and why. I don’t see a big issue with a multi fight deal with a large television broadcaster. You are given a platform and it can help build a profile and with the larger broadcasters a multi fight deal is an investment that is cultivated and protected.

A singular fight deal with any broadcaster doesn’t benefit from the same appetite or commitment.

The bottom line is how far you can look into your perspective future. Singular fight deals are tactical decisions, multi fight deals are strategic decision. The more regular exposure you can achieve on a platform can significantly contribute to raising your profile and creating that household name.

Right now Tyson fury can be all over ESPN without a fight he can be doing various activities that keep him front and centre across that network.

The big problem with these deals is timing of the big bouts. Tyson Fury is at beginning of his ESPN journey it makes 0 commercial sense to have him fight wilder now. Although for me I would like to see a trilogy between wilder/fury/Joshua right now for the next 3 years. ESPN have other ideas and if right now they can achieve x PPV they are fairly certain after 2-3 fights exposure on ESPN the PPV numbers could double quadruple for a fury wilder II.

I believe that Wilder may have missed a trick here. An interim bout gives him some serious exposure on ESPN and then just catapults him even higher for a fury rematch. I certainly think the deal was worth some serious consideration. Particularly because he is a champion he could be waving his belt at every opportunity on that platform and be seen in millions of homes across the US. He could watch any sport live that ESPN cover and he would get screen time.

My issue with boxing is when people actually call it a sport. It is absolutely not a sport and is 100% show business. It’s about entertainment and ticket sales the irony is that it can be argued that boxing is the most physically demanding when compared with any sport but this game is run as a business not as a sport. When big business is involved the best don’t fight the best at the best time.

For all this claim that ESPN reaches more homes than any network means nothing when most of TR shows barely crack 1 million views. Most of the time you pretty much are lost looking for a fight because some game is running late which delays the broadcast of the fights. Loma and Crawford have done big numbers but in reality it isn't much when there were fights on HBO and Showtime that did around the same numbers and they were a premium channel. Wilder can get the same or more exposure fighting on Fox, which has a bigger reach. Wilder is doing what is best and not signing any multi fight deals just to fight 1 guy. He can fight AJ on either DAZN or Showtime. He can fight Fury on ESPN if the money is right. He isn't tied down to one network like Fury is now. If it was just about fighting on ESPN and getting this exposure, why aren't all these fighters who fight on ESPN repeatedly, bigger stars? Fury will end up fighting on ESPN+ where less people get to see him. The bad thing is Fury fights are going to be a snooze fest without Wilder of AJ. People will be put of by his style once they see him fight.

[Ray*]

Espinoza isn't asking fighters to sign multi fight deals with PBC or Showtime in order for them to make a fight. GB, Arum and Hearn ask fighters to sign over options for future fights to fight their fighters most of the time, especially if they feel their fighter has a big chance of losing.

I dont think they have the money.

[Batfink]

For all this claim that ESPN reaches more homes than any network means nothing when most of TR shows barely crack 1 million views. Most of the time you pretty much are lost looking for a fight because some game is running late which delays the broadcast of the fights. Loma and Crawford have done big numbers but in reality it isn't much when there were fights on HBO and Showtime that did around the same numbers and they were a premium channel. Wilder can get the same or more exposure fighting on Fox, which has a bigger reach. Wilder is doing what is best and not signing any multi fight deals just to fight 1 guy. He can fight AJ on either DAZN or Showtime. He can fight Fury on ESPN if the money is right. He isn't tied down to one network like Fury is now. If it was just about fighting on ESPN and getting this exposure, why aren't all these fighters who fight on ESPN repeatedly, bigger stars? Fury will end up fighting on ESPN+ where less people get to see him. The bad thing is Fury fights are going to be a snooze fest without Wilder of AJ. People will be put of by his style once they see him fight.

Good solid points there, I would like to add that business is about risk and reward there are no guarantees and it’s all based on sentiment and taking a punt. Some decisions pay off and some don’t, you only have to look at DAZN deal with Canelo as an example how can they afford that some of it is about projections and estimates based on consumer appetite. This is show business, listen when Disney bought marvel who would have thought the revenue they could generate since that purchase if you could predict things like that then everybody would jump on it. Same goes for other business deals like the growth of Apple and Google etc etc.

Business is about taking risks some are calculated some are pure speculation. Show Business is no different and don’t forget that word show business boxing is all about the show and boy does Tyson bring the show outside the ring, I agree he needs to improve in the ring because at heavyweight we love knockouts but listen for me Tyson is all about his opponent that’s his profile - he has built his reputation on tumbling over the big names or punchers by negating their style. So for me he needs to be fighting explosive knockout artists who have an aggressive style so he can make a fool out of them and that’s the entertainment. If he fought a similar style guy hell yes it would be boring but the way Tyson fools around in the ring is entertaining.

The point im making is nothing is set in stone when it comes to business you take risks and some pay off the ESPN deal may pay huge dividends for Tyson fury he will be protected a little and will get paid well and get some exposure also, what would be nice is if he can knock out a few guys but that aside remember show business is all about the show and he does bring an interesting colourful character into boxing.

Let’s see how this all develops over the next few fights.