Comments Thread For: Atlas To Vote Gvozdyk in His ESPN Top 10 Pound-For-Pound

[chrisJS]

Not sure about that Atlas, it was a solid win and IMO an upset cuz I sincerely thought that Gvozdyk was gonna get brutally knocked out by the first flush left hand Stevenson landed but not only he took that type of shot but he took plenty of them all nite but just one rocked and dropped him(ropes saved him from falling down)!

He obviously is the man that beat the man but technically Alvarez is the guy since Kovalev was king at 175 before the Ward fights and was still considered at the top post Ward fights!

It’s between Alvarez and Gvozdyk for me!

Tyson Fury needs to be put on there, what he did Saturday night has never been done before in boxing and it was taken away by corrupt judges?!

Never seen a fighter do the damage to themselves mentally, physically and spiritually the way Fury has done for 3 years and come back to beat a prime undefeated champion KO artist and to be knocked out cold and still manage to get up an beat the count within mere seconds!

1. Crawford
2. Loma
3. Usyk
4. Canelo
5. SSR
6. GGG
7. M.Garcia
8. ?
9.Hurd
10. Fury

Nowhere for Inoue or Spence?

I go 1. Loma 2. Crawford 3. Usyk 4. Inoue 5. Golovkin 6. Canelo 7. Garcia 8. Rungvisai 9-15 I guess could be between Fury, Joshua, Gvozdyk, Estrada, Spence, Jacobs, Santa Cruz.

[JimRaynor]

What's Golovkin's best win?

Canelo.....twice.

[Rikanlynx86]

Terrence Crawford is number 2 and hasn't fought an elite opponent in his division ever. His best win is still a chinny Featherweight at 135.

Fury beat Wlad when he was Lineal around that time and just beat Wilder on Saturday. Fury should be ranked ahead of Crawford at this point. Crawford needs to beat a real opponent rather than hiding behind Bob and ESPN.

Crawford completely unified 140. Thats a big deal imo.

[NachoMan]

Atlas wasnt mocked for having Loma #1. He was laughed at for not even having GGG P4P top 10.

Atlas is a JOKE.

Exactly, he has made clear that he has no standard or methodology to his picks. He's also made it abundantly clear that he doesn't give 2 ****s what people think. As with all lists, best to just disregard.

[Pigeons]

Canelo.....twice.

I agreed with the official decision each time, draw and Canelo.


What's Golovkin's best official win, Jim?

[Boxing Logic]

It was a close and tideous fight until stevenson completely gassed. And according to boxingscene stevenson has a worse chin than Khan. And it still took 20 unanswered shots for stevenson to go down. Time will tell how good he is but i dont think he set himself apart at 175 yet

Never seen anyone say this. Clearly its not the case. Even if it was, he has a lot better defense than Khan, and a lot more power to keep you from attacking him.

[Boxing Logic]

Terrence Crawford is number 2 and hasn't fought an elite opponent in his division ever. His best win is still a chinny Featherweight at 135.

Fury beat Wlad when he was Lineal around that time and just beat Wilder on Saturday. Fury should be ranked ahead of Crawford at this point. Crawford needs to beat a real opponent rather than hiding behind Bob and ESPN.

Good points, very true.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Nowhere for Inoue or Spence?

I go 1. Loma 2. Crawford 3. Usyk 4. Inoue 5. Golovkin 6. Canelo 7. Garcia 8. Rungvisai 9-15 I guess could be between Fury, Joshua, Gvozdyk, Estrada, Spence, Jacobs, Santa Cruz.

Inoue is literally cracking in, especially if he can clear WBSS tourney and I would put him in the top 10!

Spence could be considered for #8 but I feel what Hurd did this year and SSR beating Estrada is more deserved than Spence taking two stay active fights!

Wilder would’ve made his debut if Fury would’ve stayed down for 6 more milliseconds in the 12th cuz beating two highly rated undefeated fighters at heavyweight is hard to come by and the circumstances in 1 year alone, but it didn’t happen!

Beating Ortiz and getting a undeserved draw with Tyson Fury don’t cut it for me so neither will beating Peterson and Ocampo!

Everyone else is good, the one that might switch soon is Crawford cuz he hasn’t had a top 10 opponent since Jeff Horn and he was put in by daylight robbery against Pacman in Australia so was Horn really top 10?

If not then Bud hasn’t had Top 10 opponent since Postol!

GGg losing to Canelo clearly I dropped him

[Boxing Logic]

I agreed with the official decision each time, draw and Canelo.


What's Golovkin's best official win, Jim?

Jacobs and Lemieux, both better than any win Crawford has. Jacobs, GGG's best win, is better than any win Spence or Mikey Garcia have. Also better than any win Wilder or Badou Jack has. In fact, Jacobs best win, Dereyvanchenko, is a better win than any of them have, and GGG beat Jacobs. Who else? Its better than any win Ward has too! (Yes, prime, healthy, 180 lbs Jacobs is better than drunk, declined Kovalev. At least Jacobs can still go 12 rounds).

Who else? Better than any win GRJ has, or Stevenson has, or Beterbiev has, or Thurman has, or Danny Garcia has, or Shawn Porter has (yet you guys hype them up too!), than Prograis has, than Broner has.

I dont think a single fighter on the PBC roster has a better win than beating Danny Jacobs. Most of them dont even have a better win than David Lemieux. So it is what it is. The only fighters in the entire sport left with good wins vs PRIME top opponents at this point are Loma, Usyk, some of the low weight fighters, Pacquiao, and maybe one or two others I've forgotten. That's why so many FAIR boxing fans have started supporting foreign fighters even if they're American fans because these foreign fighters have been the only ones daring to be great vs top prime opponents, for the most part, this entire decade. Yet we just get called racists for it because biased fans assume we're just supporting white or asian fighters because we hate black people or some ****. It's absolutely ridiculous. As boxing fans, we should go where the good boxing matches are, and where the champions are who want to be the best and fight the best otherwise why are we watching boxing as a sport if there is no competition or sporting aspect to it in terms of trying to be the best in your division? Money is important too but Im just saying.

Hopefully now that you look around and realize that even though GGG's resume isnt great, it's better than every PBC fighter, you will realize just how much ducking has gone on in the PBC and with Al Haymon boxing even before the PBC, and you will finally realize why so many boxing fans were right to criticize Haymon and the PBC and ride with foreign fighters instead of PBC fighters because they will actually fight the best, and any boxing fan out there who called us racists will finally realize that we had a point and that it wasn't based on race, but rather willingness to fight the best. And at least with GGG, his resume is thin because he was ducked (by PBC fighters too, along with many others). The PBC fighters with even worse resumes, they chose that! That's a huge difference. The perpetrator and the victim, those are opposites. A fighter whose resume sucks because he was ducked, that says a lot about how great he is. A fighter whose resume sucks because he DUCKED that fighter and anyone else at the elite level, you are trying to put him on the same level because "both have beaten the same level of opposition" or whatever, but that's only because the ducker refused to face the ducked and get knocked out by him. If he had, then the ducked would have beaten better opposition than the ducker, including beating the ducker. See how that works? So every time you try to put those two on the same level, you are making a completely illogical argument.

The only problem with this is biased fans will disagree about who ducked who, but luckily in GGG's case, there are like 10 different fighters who ducked him who all admitted to it in the media, including Jacobs and BJS during his prime, so no debate is necessary when it comes to GGG. It's well documented, and admitted, what happened. So y'all should start being fair to him and looking at the facts first before criticizing. If you arent aware of what Jacobs, BJS, Froch, Barker, and many others admitted, then you really need to familiarize yourself with those quotes before commenting on GGG's career any further. Peace.

[MisanthropicNY]

Crawford completely unified 140. Thats a big deal imo.

Unifying the worst division in boxing history is a big deal...