Hatman: Wilder ducked Klitschko...

[yankees7448]

And he even signed to fight Haye twice and lost 1 year of his career......

Fury just keep on using people to make a name for himself.... shameful!

You're missing the point. When Tyson Fury was 22 no one gave a ***** about who he called out anymore than anyone would give a **** if I called out Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Its easy to make call outs when you're irrelevant. But I gave Fury credit for backing up his talk.

[Vinnykin]

You're missing the point. When Tyson Fury was 22 no one gave a ***** about who he called out anymore than anyone would give a **** if I called out Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Its easy to make call outs when you're irrelevant. But I gave Fury credit for backing up his talk.

All that goes out the window when you have an undisputed champion in a division.... a recognised #1.

When a young fighter comes through and his goal is to beat that #1.... then he beats him in his backyard..... that means something.

That goes for everyone just starting out.... any boxer that aims to beat THE MAN in the division.

[Cortez]

Finkel retired as Klitschko manager around 2008. He was frozen out making the Joshua fight because Hearn knew he was a pain in the ass. What does Haye have to do with the Joshua or Wilder fights?

you know I looked up an article and indeed Finkell did retire from boxing management in 2010

I was about to admit I was wrong but at the end it said:

While Finkel will shed his management contracts, he said he would continue to act in an advisory role to heavyweight champions Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko, with whom he has worked for several years.

my understanding is his position had nothing to do with bonte who works for K2 promoting

like de la hoya and schaefer

also probably the only person I would trust less than finkell would be hearn.

Either way as a business manager/advisor he should not be involved in fights contract- it's against the ALI act, seems his position is more important in wilders career than wlads, according to the potentially corrupt hearn

then again maybe its not , maybe Lou Debella has a far better position and eddie cant admit it

[yankees7448]

All that goes out the window when you have an undisputed champion in a division.... a recognised #1.

When a young fighter comes through and his goal is to beat that #1.... then he beats him in his backyard..... that means something.

That goes for everyone just starting out.... any boxer that aims to beat THE MAN in the division.

No it doesn't. No one cares what some untested loudmouth said until he proves he's more than just some loud mouth. Until then he's just pissing in the wind. I give Wilder's team credit for not thinking they were ready for Klitchko at that point. There is nothing more annoying to me than people who talk their way into a big fight. All the credit in the world though to Fury for earning his shot and then backing up his talk.

[Marchegiano]

Fury became the second mandatory challenger after he defeated Chisora...Klitschko fought Pulev in November another Mandatory in 2014 . Fury was always going to come up but they wanted their shot ...so how did Klitschko not want Wilder when that's the fight he was looking at before Fury pressed for his shot? The same Wilder that Klitschko knocked down in sparring, that's the guy im supposed to believe Klitschko ducked ? Ha

You should have just stopped when you said Finkel was Klitschko manager it's a known fact that Bonte made the Fury fight with Warren.

Wilder perusing Wlad ? Yes after he already announced the Fury fight! The video you posted proved you have no clue what you're talking about because Wilder is saying he won't fight Klitschko until 2016 which is a year he said it !Ha

So basically when proven you don't know **** about the order of event you are speaking to what you aim to do is adjust the time frame not once, not twice, but every single time you get made into a jackass? Have I got you? Are we going to work our way back this way to 2011? I mean **** kiddo, what the **** else can I do at this point to prove I actually remember this **** while you look it up and poorly try to rangle together bits of information into a propagandist narrative that never actually happened?

Ain't you got no shame or pride?

Fury became the second mandatory challenger after he defeated Chisora...Klitschko fought Pulev in November another Mandatory in 2014 . Fury was always going to come up but they wanted their shot ...so how did Klitschko not want Wilder when that's the fight he was looking at before Fury pressed for his shot?

What in the **** are you trying to ask? You know what I don't even give a ****, I got the time frame in question and really that is all I need.

Wilder challenged both Tyson and Wlad at this time. Before Tyson fought Hammer Deontay tried to be a roadblock. Peter wasn't having it.

As far was Wlad goes, **** man I didn't say you won't find a video of Wlad talking about wanting to fight Wilder at the same time as Wilder talking about Wlad. I said you won't find a video of Wlad claiming he wants Wilder period. The best you will find is Wlad saying hypothetically he's interested if Wilder gets a little more resume.

The **** does Pulev have to do with that? The **** does Johnny Nelson's long debunked rumor have to do with that? Criminy son.

You should have just stopped when you said Finkel was Klitschko manager it's a known fact that Bonte made the Fury fight with Warren.

I am a professional kinesiologist. It's a known fact to boxing fans that power is something you are born with. In kinesiology this is gibberish.

Just because you have a mass of idiots who lack the cognitive capacity to understand why they should research prior to running their ****suckers vehemently doesn't make them, you, or that well know 'fact' anything close to correct.

It was Finkel, Finkel had been making Wlad's fights for years. It isn't Bonte they say called them. It's Finkel. Has been for like a decade.

It's cute that you went from

Finkel wasn't with Wlad anymore

to

Bonte made that fight

Finkel has been the man calling Wlad's opponents and working out the deals for most of Wlad's career and all of his later career...all of it child. You don't know what you're talking about and are just making **** up to force the pieces you do know about to fit together.

Here is an article from when Wlad-Josh was trying to get the WBA sanction:



Notice how Boente is quoted saying Shelly is working out the deal for an alternate fight if the already done Joshua-Klitschko fight doesn't get the WBA sanction their contract requires? That's because it has always been ****ing Shelly you clown. When he fought Sam Peter Shelly called Peter's team. When he fought Wach Shelly called Wach's team. Any fight you look into Shelly worked out the deal. That's what a ****ing advisor does. Boente is a mouthpiece for Shelly's deals.

I copied and pasted one article directly about Shelly talking about how the Fury negotiation were going and I linked one quoting Boente himself explaining Shelly makes the deals. I'm sure you will just move the goal post though. Surely eventually you'll be right, right?

Wilder perusing Wlad ? Yes after he already announced the Fury fight! The video you posted proved you have no clue what you're talking about because Wilder is saying he won't fight Klitschko until 2016 which is a year he said it

That's fair because I am well aware you're either too lazy or ****** to look up anything before you run your mouth so I should have knows allusion wouldn't be good enough. You probably think allusion has something to do with a magic trick.

I've already told you several times Wilder's goal was to block Wlad-Fury from happening.

Here's another video of Wilder talking about wanting to fight Wlad, this one is from May, a week after Jennings:



This one is May. A bit before August. Something happened that forced Wilder's timeline back. Maybe, just maybe, it might have been both Peter and Shelly denying him the fights he wants when he wants them.



See that is Peter explaining Wilder does want to fight Fury before Hammer way back in January of 2015. Then as I've shown you right after Wlad beat Jennings Wilder tried to get Wlad. We can continue to go back in time if you like but it's not going to get any different for you. When i say Wilder had tried for a while to get Wlad or stop Fury I don't say it because I'm not prepared to go further back in time....this is a ****** angle to try. All that's going to happen is I post videos until we get all the way back to 2011 when all this **** started.

I'm still waiting on a video with Wlad claiming he wants that fight.

[rickJen]

Hatman is correct Wilder without doubt ducked Wlad Klitchko. If Deontay is already well over 30 fights into his career, unbeaten, knocked everybody out and is a world champion and his manager calls him a baby in the sport and there is no rush then there isnt a more clear duck than that.

If we can call Joshua a coward and a ducker for not wanting to stay up all night to watch a load of mismatches then we can call Wilder a ducker for straight up refusing to fight Wlad. Finkel didnt even try to hide that one. He called his over 30 fight world champion a baby and not ready. There is no misconception there, we havent read that wrong, we dont need to read between the lines. Its a duck, plain as day, in your face duck.

Yeah, clear as day.
Funny that his career was basically rushed fighting 7 bums a year.