PED Question

[KingHippo]

I buy Canelo's excuse 100%. Way too much money on the table to blow that one.

[champion4ever]

Saunders is completely innocent. Also, it's flu season in the UK this time of year. A lot of blocked noses.

Get the freak out of here! Innocent my ass! That mofo have been doping for years. He knew what he was taking. It's a stimulant which has at least 10 times the potency of clenbuterol. It increases weight loss, oxygen, stamina and blood pressure. In addition, it makes you ******. Since it stimulates the central nervous system; It slowly kills the brain cells which accounts for billy Joe Saunders erratic behavior at times

[_Rexy_]

No I don't find it strange.

If anyone tested positive who wasn't using PEDs I think the first thing you'd do is try to figure out if anything you take has something on the banned substance list. The banned substance list is broader & more random then most people think, this allergy medicine I take sometimes has an ingredient thats on the banned substance list & all those f#cking pills do to me is make me tired/sleepy often if I take 2 (as suggested) instead of one (which I tend to do) so I'd have never thought it'd be something on that list, although fair play I'm not a pro athlete who should be mindful of everything I'm taking either so there's that angle too.

That said its also the first thing one would do if they WERE using PEDs, but that doesn't mean it should be considered strange outright since I think it'd be normal & not strange even if a person is innocent.

fair. I'm just thinking, if I failed a PED test I'd be like "well let me get back to you, I have no idea" I wouldn't be like "yo, that nasal spray I used 6 weeks ago! It was that!!"

[Eff Pandas]

fair. I'm just thinking, if I failed a PED test I'd be like "well let me get back to you, I have no idea" I wouldn't be like "yo, that nasal spray I used 6 weeks ago! It was that!!"

From the way I heard it mentioned this is something that the UK testing people know about with BJS so its not as sinister as you could make it sound. If this is something he knows about & the UK people have discussed with him then its extremely likely he knew it could be the reason he popped as soon as he heard the news.

And it could be a loophole big enough to drive a truck through as Conte says & BJS knew all about it.

Its always a tough call to say someone is doing something f#cked up or they made an error or misjudgment.

[_Rexy_]

From the way I heard it mentioned this is something that the UK testing people know about with BJS so its not as sinister as you could make it sound. If this is something he knows about & the UK people have discussed with him then its extremely likely he knew it could be the reason he popped as soon as he heard the news.

And it could be a loophole big enough to drive a truck through as Conte says & BJS knew all about it.

Its always a tough call to say someone is doing something f#cked up or they made an error or misjudgment.

he got busted by VADA though, no? Why would you voluntarily sign up without knowing what's banned? just seems like he was taking something but smart enough to have an excuse in his back pocket. he was even smart enough to let the uk people know about it in advance.

['b']

Agreed. It would be fairly simple to choose a drug...search what products contain such drugs...then actually take one of those products on top of your extra dose. That way in essence you are not lying by saying you took that product. Facts by omission.

Come on man, no-one would ever do that. Boxers and the people in boxing don't think like you do, they are literally a different species of human and cannot think of something that complicated. No-one in boxing actually cheats, it's all tainted supplements and chemicals that happen to be in harmless products they are using.

Even the drug testers know this, that's why they find people innocent of cheating because deep in their heart they know it wasn't a conscious decision to put those drugs in their body, it was all an accident

[GorillaDog]

Reminds me of when MMA fighters were caught roiding and they all blamed trt because they had low test from past steroid usage.

I don't buy Canelo or Floyds excuses. I think the commission simply turned blind eye and pretended it didn't happen because there was too much money at stake for them. No fight happen no commission get paid simple as that. Why even test if your going to let the fighters fight juiced to the gills?
I don't think Athletic Commission going to care if they catch big money fighters roiding.
Fury boar excuse just as bs.

[Eff Pandas]

he got busted by VADA though, no? Why would you voluntarily sign up without knowing what's banned? just seems like he was taking something but smart enough to have an excuse in his back pocket. he was even smart enough to let the uk people know about it in advance.

My assumption would be he would think if its okay out of competition in the UK its okay out of competition with VADA.

Random question for anyone? Has BJS been tested by VADA before? Has he been tested by anyone besides the UK testing people?

[_Rexy_]

My assumption would be he would think if its okay out of competition in the UK its okay out of competition with VADA.

Random question for anyone? Has BJS been tested by VADA before? Has he been tested by anyone besides the UK testing people?

I read somewhere that VADA was insisted on by Andrade's camp to the point that Andrade is paying for the testing.

which leads me to believe BJS has never been on it before.