Comments Thread For: Golovkin Welcomes War With Canelo: He's NOT a Heavy Puncher

[tokon]

Your partially correct. Canelo tested positive, not once but twice for Clenbuterol. Clinical studies show these effects of Clenbuterol below. After you and the ENTIRE FORUM read this, let me know CLENBUTETOL is just used to “lose weight” and does not give a competitive advanatage in a fight. This is the “stuff” that was inside Canelos body, contaminated meat or not.

1. Clenbuterol has thermogenic effects on the body. This thermogenic effect promotes lipolysis, a process where your body uses fat as an energy source.

2. It provides a boost in oxygen transportation. More oxygen flow means you will have more endurance and power, this can be extremely beneficial when training.

3. Clenbuterol has been shown to amp up the metabolic rate of the body. You will burn off more calories by stimulating fat cells and the breakdown of fat.

4. Increases the oxygen transportation in the body which will increase strength, performance and endurance. Most clen users experience a great increase in strength and performance the first few weeks of using the drug.

5. Clenbuterol is a stimulant and has similar functions as ephedrine. As a result of the stimulating properties of clen, you will have more energy and endurance which may be one of the reason for the strength gains users experience when using the drug.

6. Clen is not as anabolic as steroids but it has been shown to be successful in losing body fat while gaining lean muscle mass. This is one of the most desirable things for bodybuilders to achieve, and is used mainly by them to preserve lean muscle mass while losing fat. A study performed on males showed that only a 2 week use of clenbuterol increased their muscle mass 4.3% and reduced their fat by 15.4%.

7. Study confirms that clenbuterol activates a very sensitive beta 2-adrenergic system which affects feeding behavior. This means you will not feel as hungry throughout the day and it may stop cravings.

Just in case I've misunderstood, you're saying that clenbuterol DOESN'T provide any advantages in a fight?

REALLY?!

[mlac]

Canelo has to come to fight this time. To defend his pride as a man, he has to fight.

No he doesnt, he can go from rope to rope to rope, landing the occasional potshot, he must surely know by now that he starts each fight 4-5+ rounds ahead on the scorecards

golovkin HAS to knock him out.

[markther]

Ssshhhhhh this kind of knowledge y’all will get you insulted around here and the last thing you want is the DKSAB label. thanks for knowing the sport other than just looking at it

The type of “knowledge” as you stated are “common sense” responses from what I call armchair boxing fans and really don’t show any boxing IQ at all. They are bird parrot responses, basically repeating what has been said already here or elsewhere or heard.

Here is what a “real boxing IQ” will illustrate. It breaks down the tactical strategies more. You want to know the accurate reason GGG didn’t go to the body more and only threw (8) body shots the entire night. It’s because the body shot is easier to counter in boxing than the jab is. That’s boxing 101 and one of the first things you learn in a boxing gym. GGG threw more jabs and power shots in the first fight because Canelo was more accurate with his counter shots. Canelo’s effective counter punching and the angles he created with his footwork discouraged GGG from going to the body. When GGG throws body shots, he prefers a specific stance. Canelo’s ring generalship never allowed him to get set for the type of body shots GGG likes to throw and was effective with against past opponents. And most of the punches GGG threw were jabs and power shots to the head.

So Canelo was so effective with his countering and footwork all night, that GGG jabbed instead of throwing body shots to set up his head shots, instead of body shots to set up his head shots like he normally does. Again, it is more difficult to counter a jab than a punch to the body. So Boxers can be reluctant to throw certain punches based off what’s easier to counter.

And fighters can sometimes be reluctant to go in and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with fearing the power of another fighter. It means they are afraid of being countered where points are scored and collected. For example, fighters that faced guys like Pernall Whitaker & Floyd Mayweather including Canelo, weren’t necessarily afraid of their power but afraid of losing rounds on points and getting countered and hit period. So GGG is basically saying Canelo isn’t much of a heavy puncher “to him” as much as an effective counter puncher that can accumulate points within rounds that can win a fight & sway the judges. I’m sure GGG felt Canelo’s punches but he is probably comparing them to other punches he felt such as Lemieux or Jacobs or other “natural middleweights.”

Another thing, I joke about Canelo but I think he won that first fight. GGG got awarded for aggression but it wasn’t effective aggression. He threw more jabs and power shots but his accuracy wasn’t there. Canelo got awarded from judges on his effective counter shots. But they didn’t award him enough. They got caught up in GGG coming forward all night and just throwing more. He landed punches but they weren’t as effective and as impactful as the punches Canelo landed. That is why the fight was score a draw, it was the optics and how it looked to each judge scoring the fight.

The (1) judge who had it wide for Canelo, he saw only (8) body shots from GGG which is a staple in his arsenal in previous fights and he saw a lot of GGG’s punches missing as compared to Canelos, so he believed Canelo was running away with the fight all night. And when GGG did land, his punches didn’t have the same type of impact they had in previous fights. Judges will consider that. Canelo didn’t appear to be hurt all night from any shot.

The judge that score for GGG, thought he was the agressor and dictated the fight because he was coming forward and throwing more punches. All the stats suggest that but he wasn’t effectively cutting off the ring and controlling the fight. The (1) judge that scored for GGG was based on his perception of who was controlling the fight, right or wrong. Sugar Ray Leonard backed up all night against Hagler but stood in certain moments in each round in front of Hagler and threw crisp landing shots that were clearly scored by the judges even though they didn’t hurt Hagler. Canelo probably knows he didn’t do enough of what Leonard did which is why they said they will increase their endurance and throw more punches in the second fight.

And it you look at my response to the boxingfanatic on Clenbutrol, it shows he knows nothing about what was in Canelos body. And this POST shows NONE of YOU really know sh@t about boxing-LOL!

[GGG Gloveking]

Just in case I've misunderstood, you're saying that clenbuterol DOESN'T provide any advantages in a fight?

REALLY?!

If that's what you gathered, I'd advise you read it again

[Robi13]

Good point! Golovkin has at times ignored defense to constantly attack. The Kell Brook fight comes to mind.

Exactly my thoughts! The brook fight is a perfect example, the geale fight, also the mathew macklin fight where.. If I'm not mistaken, ggg got a knock down with a right hook as he was taking a punch himself..

[markther]

Just in case I've misunderstood, you're saying that clenbuterol DOESN'T provide any advantages in a fight?

REALLY?!

No, I believe it does that’s why I posted that. And I was responding to someone here that tried to say Canelo used it to just lose weight and it didn’t help him in any other way.

[tokon]

CLENBUTETOL is just used to “lose weight” and does not give a competitive advanatage in a fight.

I genuinely wasn't sure exactly what you were saying, that's why I asked for clarification.

It's that sentence quoted that threw me, as it was followed by all the stuff clen can do that would give an advantage in a fight!

It might be you writing style or, more likely, that I've misinterpreted it. If so, apologies.

[YoungKing88]

GGG aint ready for these hands. Canelo going to tune that ass up like Don Cheadle in Rush Hour 2. The Young King been on holiday, laying low. Now he is back. Young King x

[Robi13]

The type of “knowledge” as you stated are “common sense” responses from what I call armchair boxing fans and really don’t show any boxing IQ at all. They are bird parrot responses, basically repeating what has been said already here or elsewhere or heard.

Here is what a “real boxing IQ” will illustrate. It breaks down the tactical strategies more. You want to know the accurate reason GGG didn’t go to the body more and only threw (8) body shots the entire night. It’s because the body shot is easier to counter in boxing than the jab is. That’s boxing 101 and one of the first things you learn in a boxing gym. GGG threw more jabs and power shots in the first fight because Canelo was more accurate with his counter shots. Canelo’s effective counter punching and the angles he created with his footwork discouraged GGG from going to the body. When GGG throws body shots, he prefers a specific stance. Canelo’s ring generalship never allowed him to get set for the type of body shots GGG likes to throw and was effective with against past opponents. And most of the punches GGG threw were jabs and power shots to the head.

So Canelo was so effective with his countering and footwork all night, that GGG jabbed instead of throwing body shots to set up his head shots, instead of body shots to set up his head shots like he normally does. Again, it is more difficult to counter a jab than a punch to the body. So Boxers can be reluctant to throw certain punches based off what’s easier to counter.

And fighters can sometimes be reluctant to go in and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with fearing the power of another fighter. It means they are afraid of being countered where points are scored and collected. For example, fighters that faced guys like Pernall Whitaker & Floyd Mayweather including Canelo, weren’t necessarily afraid of their power but afraid of losing rounds on points and getting countered and hit period. So GGG is basically saying Canelo isn’t much of a heavy puncher “to him” as much as an effective counter puncher that can accumulate points within rounds that can win a fight & sway the judges. I’m sure GGG felt Canelo’s punches but he is probably comparing them to other punches he felt such as Lemieux or Jacobs or other “natural middleweights.”

Another thing, I joke about Canelo but I think he won that first fight. GGG got awarded for aggression but it wasn’t effective aggression. He threw more jabs and power shots but his accuracy wasn’t there. Canelo got awarded from judges on his effective counter shots. But they didn’t award him enough. They got caught up in GGG coming forward all night and just throwing more. He landed punches but they weren’t as effective and as impactful as the punches Canelo landed. That is why the fight was score a draw, it was the optics and how it looked to each judge scoring the fight.

The (1) judge who had it wide for Canelo, he saw only (8) body shots from GGG which is a staple in his arsenal in previous fights and he saw a lot of GGG’s punches missing as compared to Canelos, so he believed Canelo was running away with the fight all night. And when GGG did land, his punches didn’t have the same type of impact they had in previous fights. Judges will consider that. Canelo didn’t appear to be hurt all night from any shot.

The judge that score for GGG, thought he was the agressor and dictated the fight because he was coming forward and throwing more punches. All the stats suggest that but he wasn’t effectively cutting off the ring and controlling the fight. The (1) judge that scored for GGG was based on his perception of who was controlling the fight, right or wrong. Sugar Ray Leonard backed up all night against Hagler but stood in certain moments in each round in front of Hagler and threw crisp landing shots that were clearly scored by the judges even though they didn’t hurt Hagler. Canelo probably knows he didn’t do enough of what Leonard did which is why they said they will increase their endurance and throw more punches in the second fight.

And it you look at my response to the boxingfanatic on Clenbutrol, it shows he knows nothing about what was in Canelos body. And this POST shows NONE of YOU really know sh@t about boxing-LOL!

Out of all the jabs gennady threw, he could of thrown the jab to the body which is a power punch ala mayweather... But he was just completely denied of any body work by canelo. Good post.

[tokon]

The type of “knowledge” as you stated are “common sense” responses from what I call armchair boxing fans and really don’t show any boxing IQ at all. They are bird parrot responses, basically repeating what has been said already here or elsewhere or heard.

Here is what a “real boxing IQ” will illustrate. It breaks down the tactical strategies more. You want to know the accurate reason GGG didn’t go to the body more and only threw (8) body shots the entire night. It’s because the body shot is easier to counter in boxing than the jab is. That’s boxing 101 and one of the first things you learn in a boxing gym. GGG threw more jabs and power shots in the first fight because Canelo was more accurate with his counter shots. Canelo’s effective counter punching and the angles he created with his footwork discouraged GGG from going to the body. When GGG throws body shots, he prefers a specific stance. Canelo’s ring generalship never allowed him to get set for the type of body shots GGG likes to throw and was effective with against past opponents. And most of the punches GGG threw were jabs and power shots to the head.

So Canelo was so effective with his countering and footwork all night, that GGG jabbed instead of throwing body shots to set up his head shots, instead of body shots to set up his head shots like he normally does. Again, it is more difficult to counter a jab than a punch to the body. So Boxers can be reluctant to throw certain punches based off what’s easier to counter.

And fighters can sometimes be reluctant to go in and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with fearing the power of another fighter. It means they are afraid of being countered where points are scored and collected. For example, fighters that faced guys like Pernall Whitaker & Floyd Mayweather including Canelo, weren’t necessarily afraid of their power but afraid of losing rounds on points and getting countered and hit period. So GGG is basically saying Canelo isn’t much of a heavy puncher “to him” as much as an effective counter puncher that can accumulate points within rounds that can win a fight & sway the judges. I’m sure GGG felt Canelo’s punches but he is probably comparing them to other punches he felt such as Lemieux or Jacobs or other “natural middleweights.”

Another thing, I joke about Canelo but I think he won that first fight. GGG got awarded for aggression but it wasn’t effective aggression. He threw more jabs and power shots but his accuracy wasn’t there. Canelo got awarded from judges on his effective counter shots. But they didn’t award him enough. They got caught up in GGG coming forward all night and just throwing more. He landed punches but they weren’t as effective and as impactful as the punches Canelo landed. That is why the fight was score a draw, it was the optics and how it looked to each judge scoring the fight.

The (1) judge who had it wide for Canelo, he saw only (8) body shots from GGG which is a staple in his arsenal in previous fights and he saw a lot of GGG’s punches missing as compared to Canelos, so he believed Canelo was running away with the fight all night. And when GGG did land, his punches didn’t have the same type of impact they had in previous fights. Judges will consider that. Canelo didn’t appear to be hurt all night from any shot.

The judge that score for GGG, thought he was the agressor and dictated the fight because he was coming forward and throwing more punches. All the stats suggest that but he wasn’t effectively cutting off the ring and controlling the fight. The (1) judge that scored for GGG was based on his perception of who was controlling the fight, right or wrong. Sugar Ray Leonard backed up all night against Hagler but stood in certain moments in each round in front of Hagler and threw crisp landing shots that were clearly scored by the judges even though they didn’t hurt Hagler. Canelo probably knows he didn’t do enough of what Leonard did which is why they said they will increase their endurance and throw more punches in the second fight.

And it you look at my response to the boxingfanatic on Clenbutrol, it shows he knows nothing about what was in Canelos body. And this POST shows NONE of YOU really know sh@t about boxing-LOL!

Great post, thanks.