Floyd Mayweather is in my top 3 of all time let the hate begin!

[BM dnobagaV]

judah was a great win he says....

you can argue there were no great fighters in a 17 year period? why not make it 70 years just to be safe for floyd?

duran was not moving up 2 weight classes. pac was ranked above mosley.

how can you make an accurate analysis if you don't know anything factually? you think an old mosley is a great win because he was ranked on the p4p list? you know who else was on the p4p list? adrien broner.

Almost **** my pants when he said Hearns is a good win & Zab is a great one

[robertzimmerman]

The reason why I place Floyd above Ray is because Ray's first loss came at the hands of a former lightweight champion who moved up two weight classes in Roberto Duran. That would be like Floyd losing to the former super bantamweight champion when Floyd was an undefeated super featherweight champion.

Pound for Pound is the argument about who is the greatest fighter regardless of weight class or what would happen if these guys were all the same size. Floyd never even came close to losing to a guy smaller than himself while Leonard lost twice to guys smaller than himself in Duran and Camacho.

Come on now.

Duran was an ATG. He had success above WW, and even came close to beating Marvin when he was at his peak at MW. You need to apply context here. And it wouldn't be akin to Floyd having lost to a SBW champ.

Floyd never came close to losing to a guy smaller than himself? But look at how big Floyd was with his huge reach. Look at the guys he fought. It's a ridiculous line of thought. Camacho? Ray was shot at that point.

If you're looking at H2H, that's a different argument. But if you're looking at resume, Ray clearly ranks higher. It's quality over quantity.

Ray beat a peak version of Benitez.

He had a shoot out against Hearns and knocked him out.

He psyched out Duran.

He moved up to MW and beat Marvin after a 3 year lay off.

Floyd's best win was over a faded and inactive Oscar who pushed him close.

[robertzimmerman]

Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez

Is Ricky Hatton an ATG?

[robertzimmerman]

I'd have to have a think but he'd be top 5 for me, maybe top 3. Altho ugh the boxing hipsters will no doubt put some no namer who fought in 1910 before it was an international sport ahead of him.

Joe Calzaghe's probably in your top 5.

[robertzimmerman]

... And that undefeated record matters. Thing is when a lot of other greats lose people just put it down to them being 'past prime' seems as if there's hundreds of fighters on here who were unbeatable in there 'prime', which basically meant them having a good couple of years before someone figured them out lol.

An undefeated record has to be put into context. Otherwise Rocky Marciano was a better HW than Muhammad Ali.

[mcdonalds]

Don't tell me that you actually believe that it was the testing that prevented an earlier fight.

Freddie roach, manny, and bob arum all said it themselves. They prevented the 2010 fight, they pulled out even though it was almost a done deal and floyd agreed to fight.

In 2012 bob arum didn't use a drug testing excuse, instead he just flat out ducked floyd and used more creative excuses like needing to build a stadium and needing time to heal from a cut.

[robertzimmerman]

Almost **** my pants when he said Hearns is a good win & Zab is a great one

He's just a joker.

[robertzimmerman]

Freddie roach, manny, and bob arum all said it themselves. That prevented the 2010 fight, they pulled out even though it was almost a done deal and floyd agreed to the fight.

In 2012 bob arum didn't use a drug testing excuse, instead he just flat out ducked floyd and used more creative excuses like needing to build a stadium and needing time to heal from a cut.

Get real man.

I don't even like Manny. I respect what he did, but I was never a big fan. The same applies to Floyd. But any knowledgeable fan knows what went down.

You're only disclosing the bits that you want.

We all know the timeline.

[mcdonalds]

Get real man.

I don't even like Manny. I respect what he did, but I was never a big fan. The same applies to Floyd. But any knowledgeable fan knows what went down.

You're only disclosing the bits that you want.

We all know the timeline.

Any logical fan knows what i'm saying is 100% true, The only people that believe floyd ducked manny are Pactrds and casuals .

All of the facts point to bob arum and top rank preventing the fight from happening. Floyd was the one who signed his part of the contract to fight, not manny. Floyd was the one who made an effort to fight in 2012 not bob arum and manny.

Instead bob arum made excuse after excuse after excuse.

[robertzimmerman]

Any logical fan knows what i'm saying is 100% true, The only people that believe floyd ducked manny are Pactrds and casuals .

All of the facts point to bob arum and top rank preventing the fight from happening. Floyd was the one who signed his part of the contract to fight, not manny. Floyd was the one who made an effort to fight in 2012 not bob arum and manny.

Instead bob arum made excuse after excuse after excuse.

The timelines are still available online.

You have mixed up various pieces of the puzzle to suit your argument.

Go back and have a look.

Manny originally wanted a cut off after what had happened against Morales in 2005, when he had to have his blood retaken just prior to the fight, as the lab had somehow mislaid it. He said it weakened him, and even Morales agreed.

When Floyd was first asked about fighting Manny, he never had any intention of cleaning up the sport of boxing and his only concern for a potential fight was how much he was going to get paid. It was only after his Father had accused Manny of being a cheat (without a shred of evidence) that Floyd began to hurl insults and accusations around.

Floyd then demanded the tests. Manny agreed, but he wanted a window. He did however say that he'd be willing to give urine up to the day of the fight and an imnediate after fight blood test. Considering there was no evidence of any wrongdoing and Manny only wanted a 2 week window out of a 9-10 week camp, that should have been sufficient. Especially with an immediate after fight blood test, and the fact that no one else had an issue fighting Manny. They then went back and forth regarding the number of days in the window.

Then we had all of 'he said she said' nonsense with Arum etc.

Manny then made a public statement saying that he would agree to all of Floyd's demands.

Floyd then claimed he wanted all of the PPV revenue.

The whole thing was a circus.

To any knowledgeable fan, the fact that it still took 3 years for the fight to happen after Manny had agreed to all of Floyd's testing demands, proves that it was never the testing that had prevented an earlier fight.

The whole thing was an absolute joke. We ended up with the Mayweather's apologising in a court of law for having no evidence of any wrongdoing as well as paying a fine, before then finding out that Floyd had used 750ml of saline at home for supposedly being severely dehydrated, despite the fact that he was fine at the weigh-in, the work had been done, and he was only 3-4 pounds out at the 30 day out mark.

The whole saga left a horrible taste in the mouth and the fight was absolutely garbage with no relevance.