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Who's better: Spence or Manny Pacquiao in his Prime?

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    #91
    Originally posted by Bjl12 View Post
    You have never boxed before. And it shows
    yes that is true, but i did wrestle for most of my life so i know a little something about cutting weight.

    since i have never boxed, maybe u can tell me exactly why brook was drained in a wt class he fought the majority of his career at. he weighed 13 more lbs when he fought ggg. he had to cut weight to fight ggg just not as much wt as he does when he fights at ww. help educate me how cutting wt is different than cutting wt in wrestling

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      #92
      How is Spence the new king of the WW division?

      There's still Crawford who is a threat and dangerous guy.

      Plus you have the likes of Thurman also.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Quiksilva View Post
        How is Spence the new king of the WW division?

        There's still Crawford who is a threat and dangerous guy.

        Plus you have the likes of Thurman also.
        Crawford hasn't even fought an Welterweight yet

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          #94
          Originally posted by Sheldon312 View Post
          Crawford hasn't even fought an Welterweight yet
          Soon he will, when he is fighting Horn.

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            #95
            Pac via vicious beat down.

            There was a reason Gayweather was afraid of that Pacquiao.

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              #96
              Originally posted by suffolkbull3 View Post
              yes that is true, but i did wrestle for most of my life so i know a little something about cutting weight.

              since i have never boxed, maybe u can tell me exactly why brook was drained in a wt class he fought the majority of his career at. he weighed 13 more lbs when he fought ggg. he had to cut weight to fight ggg just not as much wt as he does when he fights at ww. help educate me how cutting wt is different than cutting wt in wrestling
              You're misunderstanding what happened. Kell Brook did not simply "cut 13lbs less" than he did for WW fights. He prepared with more strength training/weight lifting...creating more muscle. So yes he did cut less weight, but he also put on more muscle...making cutting weight more difficult in the future (should he return to 147 or resume at 154).

              Brook put on 13lbs of muscle (or attempted to and he looked like he did) and then turned around and cut that same weight.

              Even from wrestling you should know. If you wrestle at 141lbs for most of your career and then, once you turn 30, jump up to 165lbs for 1 fight...it's going to require a dedicated training camp of strength building. Yes you simply cannot move up that weight in one fight's time...at least not properly. And Brook was clearly the smaller fighter. His frame was simply smaller and his bone density couldn't compete with guys actually that size.

              Had the fight taken place at 154 nobody would be debating the outcome, but GGG spared not 1 pound and Kell cut less/put on some muscle before resuming his prior weight (which requires cutting some of that muscle mass...not easy to do).

              Needless to say Kell Brook faded in the late rounds against Spence which made him susceptible to injury and eventual eye injury.

              Errol is a good fighter and looks the goods, but he hasn't beaten anyone yet. The Kell Brook win is a solid win, but you have to take it with a grain of salt considering the circumstances. That's no disrespect to Errol because he simply can't get anyone else to fight him, but that also doesn't mean you just automatically assume he whitewashes those guys.

              I still believe Crawford is the #1 guy at WW, but TC has to actually do it. First up is rugged Jeff Horn.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Death_Adder View Post
                Pac via vicious beat down.

                There was a reason Gayweather was afraid of that Pacquiao.
                I thought PEDquiao was afraid of needles?

                What happened?

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                  #98
                  The Pac who went through the likes of MAB, Erik Morales, JMM and the 147+ run through
                  DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, MARGARITO, Mosely and Bradley was something we may not see again. It was the manner in which he dispatched them that was so impressive to watch despite his size disadvantage.

                  He's a once in a lifetime type of fighter.

                  We all know Manny was unrefined and could look bad against boxers but it took the best fighter of his generation to unpick Manny.

                  To answer your question... (CURRENTLY) A prime Pac is better. It'll be better to judge at the end of Spence's career if he ever beats multiple world champions and top 10 P4P fighters in multiple weight classes.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by O Prophet View Post
                    Spence is the new king at 147, but how would a fight between him and the Manny Pacquiao from 10 years ago have gone?



                    VS

                    2008 version of Manny Pacquiao




                    How do you think the fight goes?




                    .
                    Literally everywhere has Thurman ranked no.1 over Spence

                    Since when did King mean no.2?

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                      #100
                      It is too early in Spence’s career to make this comparison.

                      I dont give a *** who wins this mythical bs..

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