How would you build a fighter?

[mlac]

You start with the mind first and see where hes at and if he wants to fully get there . I would have him read two books on combat that goes beyond boxing that i have and if can do that hes finished strp one then its on to actually training and forming him to what his strengths are .

The trainer CANNOT reinvent a fighter he can only add to the fighters capabilities . You establish a communication /relationship outside the ring , a fighter is like a pet you have to understand and groom . lol

You build a fighter from the inside out ,if the inside holds up so will the outside .......... The BUILDER/trainer should have boxing IQ to detect on the FLY what adjustments need to be made and number one rule is the trainer should NOT want to win more thsn the fighter otherwise you should just put on the gloves or walk away ........

These things have to be established off the bat !

so basically your saying you have to be a domineering diddler like cus

got it.

[juggernaut666]

so basically your saying you have to be a domineering diddler like cus

got it.

If thats what it takes ????O.K and what ????lol

Rule of thumb too is one should know what an actual boxing gym feels like at least so why are you even on this thread ?

[mlac]

If thats what it takes ????O.K and what ????lol

Rule of thumb too is one should know what an actual boxing gym feels like at least so why are you even on this thread ?

we all know why you hang around gyms you sick greasy diddler!

[juggernaut666]

we all know why you hang around gyms you sick greasy diddler!

Why are you even on this forum for that matter let alone a thread you would have NO clue about (as usual ) , low life ?

[billeau2]

Love that quote about mistakes, so true!!! So many fighters pick up bad habits early on that cost them dearly later in their career. ALL fighters must be taught the proper fundamentals IMO. Too many guys are moved too quickly purely on the basis that they are athletically gifted. There are too many “fitness?trainer’s and not enough teachers in boxing nowadays.

Very true. Part of the problem is a schism in fighting and boxing by default... In the old days boxers were fighters. For a fighter to be at his meanest and best he had to be in very good physical condition. But at this time we seldom hear about roadwork and training.... more often than not we hear about hardening the hands with different oils, and other such tid bits. Its really not until when Sullivan fights Killan (I think it was Killan) that Muldoon a physical specimen of a man, and a wrestler takes the drunken brawling Sullivan to task and puts him into a training mind set at camp. This was considered new for the times, which are recent changing to fighters wearing gloves.

Gradually through the years boxers have become viewed through the prism of athletes more than fighters. It has become part of boxing understanding that physical training properly is the key to success. We see this same phenomena in MMA where we initially had guys like Tank Abbott... who would get along famously with a guy like Two Ton Toney Galenta, a man who trained by drinking beer out of a barrel, running in the middle of night, and anointing himself with tuna oil to smell bad for the opponent. And then we got wrestlers from college coming in, and others who were intially able to get by and be succesful as athletes against brawlers and Gracie practicioners.

Thing is, there is still something different about a great fighter, something more than simply being a great athlete. The technical attributes are what really stirs the pot, and we see the same problem in martial arts: going to a class and doing line drills for two hours has benefit, but its not quite the same as learning the art from someone who knows intimately how it is applied, including all the little subtleties that people will never get otherwise.

[Vlad_]

Larry trying to teach a kid how to fight to take his place six day from now against Lou Cipher, and needs some advice ASAP!

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Very true. Part of the problem is a schism in fighting and boxing by default... In the old days boxers were fighters. For a fighter to be at his meanest and best he had to be in very good physical condition. But at this time we seldom hear about roadwork and training.... more often than not we hear about hardening the hands with different oils, and other such tid bits. Its really not until when Sullivan fights Killan (I think it was Killan) that Muldoon a physical specimen of a man, and a wrestler takes the drunken brawling Sullivan to task and puts him into a training mind set at camp. This was considered new for the times, which are recent changing to fighters wearing gloves.

Gradually through the years boxers have become viewed through the prism of athletes more than fighters. It has become part of boxing understanding that physical training properly is the key to success. We see this same phenomena in MMA where we initially had guys like Tank Abbott... who would get along famously with a guy like Two Ton Toney Galenta, a man who trained by drinking beer out of a barrel, running in the middle of night, and anointing himself with tuna oil to smell bad for the opponent. And then we got wrestlers from college coming in, and others who were intially able to get by and be succesful as athletes against brawlers and Gracie practicioners.

Thing is, there is still something different about a great fighter, something more than simply being a great athlete. The technical attributes are what really stirs the pot, and we see the same problem in martial arts: going to a class and doing line drills for two hours has benefit, but its not quite the same as learning the art from someone who knows intimately how it is applied, including all the little subtleties that people will never get otherwise.

Very wise words man. I hate the way nowadays people focus more on fighter's athletic/physical attributes as a opposed to technical attributes. Of course athleticism will always have a role in combat sports but it MUST be combined with correct fundamentals and a proficient skill set.
Years ago guys like Tunney, Ali, Louis where HW champ cause they were the most skilled and complete fighter, in the modern era you get fighters holding titles mainly because they are bigger, stronger, more powerful and more athletic than their peers. If you look at the current HW division, there are so few guys with complete fundamentals. That's why I loved it when Tyson Fury schooled Klitschko using an although unconventional, largely "old school" style. Great footwork and lateral movement, everything coming off the jab, always maintaining control of distance and range etc. This is cause Fury was taught these proper fundamentals and good habits from a young age. This is one of many examples that shows the importance of teaching all fighters these fighting principles.
Fighting is a pure art-form and to be truly great at it you must learn all the intricacies of this art.

[KillaMane26]

It depends...i think every potential should b groomed different.

But let's say he 14. Never fought before outside the ring. But he is naturally athletic.

My main issue would be building and maintaining his confidence while testing his toughness from time to time.

I wouldn't just throw him in the ring with amateur boxers just cause "he a natural fighter"

Lmao like they did me at 17.....

[Lou Cipher]

Lets say you got a raw kid, He is young, I know every case is different as different people have different traits. How would you start him off and what would you focus on?

First off, teach him courage and honor. Tell him not to pretend he is something he is not. Teach him not to call out people for fights on the internet then back down when he sees their photo and gets spooked.

Next, get him to a real Boxing gym. There should not be any members of this gym who are not amateur Boxers or professional Boxers. Hint: if there are aerobics classes in this gym or a slam man, it is not an accredited Boxing gym that is insured and set up for sparring.

Next, GET HIM TO A PROPER TRAINER IMMEDIATELY. Do not allow his drunk Uncle, or liquored up mid-life crisis father who is in his 30's still looking for an identity, teach him any bad habits on the mitts. It will take twice as long to unlearn those habits before entering competition.

Next, teach him to never disrespect every fighter who has ever put it all on the line by backing out of a fight. A true fighter will have losses. Only a coward who only fights when there are odds and corruption on his side will retire undefeated. The only exception being the GREAT Rocky Marciano.

Lastly, teach him about the great fighters of yesteryear. Have him watch films of only the greatest fighters in jistory. Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Gennady Golovkin, Gene Fullmer, Willy Pep, Billy Conn, Benny Leonard, Harry Greb, Mickey Walker, Carmen Basilio, Stanley Ketchel etc. etc. etc.