Comments Thread For: Bellew on Joshua-Wilder: No One Knows Who Deontay Wilder Is!

[Jewish-Reptile]

Bellew is another one of these bias matchroom yes men, let's remember this is the same guy who said a 41 year old, inactive Wladimir Klitschko (who had just been embarrassed by Fury) "put in a career best performance" when getting stopped by AJ. If Wilder is so worthless in the U.K. why do Sky continually purchase the tv rights to his fights??? This clown Bellew was calling him out 6 months ago ��������
Matchroom are pathetic...
...Beyond a joke.

Sky have an output agreement with Showtime, you'll find the Showtime fights all find their way on there. Hearn has the deal with HBO an Sky to screen his own American venture, but the other HBO fights not involving Hearn are usually on Boxnation as are the Latest ESPN fights too.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Sky have an output agreement with Showtime, you'll find the Showtime fights all find their way on there. Hearn has the deal with HBO an Sky to screen his own American venture, but the other HBO fights not involving Hearn are usually on Boxnation as are the Latest ESPN fights too.

You've got your wires crossed there, Sky and Showtime do have an output deal but it's regarding sky Atlantic, they have the exact same deal with HBO, it has zero to do with sport or boxing. You make a valid point though that the majority of Showtime cards in the UK are broadcast on sky, I'd imagine this probably a result of AJ's Showtime deal creating good relations between the two.
Another thing to consider is not all of Wilder's recent fights have been on Showtime, the Washington fight was on FOX, Wilder-Arreola was on CBS or NBC I think. And Sky still paid the network rights to pick these fights up, so they obviously must consider Wilder an asset.

[Randall Cunning]

Most the time Hearn gets Sky to show international fights that impact his fighters. 154/Santa Cruz card a couple of weeks being an anomaly, but suppose he assumed he was getting Frampton when he got the rights

[GhostofDempsey]

Ok why does Showtime boxing heavily feature Wilder highlights in their current commercials, and this was before he had a fight coming up. If Wilder meant nothing and was totally unknown using him to promote your brand is foolish and something a major brand wouldn't do, right?

Also the PBC Corona commercial Wilder is in that too, why would a Mexican beer brand feature a totally unknown boxer who is not from their target market really?

I am not sure why you are bringing Lewis and Holyfield into the equation dude as it doesn't really make much sense when you are talking about stars of boxing, not in 2017 anyway.

Fury, yeah, he's definitely more well known. Wilder, even in England, is one of the most well known Heavyweight fighters that could fight Joshua. Certainly he is the most well known international HW fighter to the UK sports fan.

But if you are talking about the average person off the street, then there are probably only about 4-5 current boxers that they would be able to name in total.

You can spin this any way you want. Fact is, Wilder is not a popular boxer, even among boxing fans. Perhaps if he had an opponent to elevate his status he'd be more popular. Wilder is the Larry Holmes of 2017. A champion without a big name opponent on his resume.

The reason I brought up Holyfield, Lewis, Fury is because even casuals knew who they were. Outside of boxing, no one knows Deontay Wilder. Like I said, go ask around, a majority of people questioned probably think he is a basketball or football player.

[Jewish-Reptile]

You've got your wires crossed there, Sky and Showtime do have an output deal but it's regarding sky Atlantic, they have the exact same deal with HBO, it has zero to do with sport or boxing. You make a valid point though that the majority of Showtime cards in the UK are broadcast on sky, I'd imagine this probably a result of AJ's Showtime deal creating good relations between the two.
Another thing to consider is not all of Wilder's recent fights have been on Showtime, the Washington fight was on FOX, Wilder-Arreola was on CBS or NBC I think. And Sky still paid the network rights to pick these fights up, so they obviously must consider Wilder an asset.

Parker was being aired on Sky as they were beginning to build up the mandatory between JP and AJ, then I believe he fought for the vacant title on Boxnation and the Razvan defence too was overlooked, the UK fans have been shown all the recent Wilder fights since AJ collected a belt I believe. To my knowledge Boxnation had the Showtime output agreement but now that appears to have dissipated since.

It's a simple case of Sky buying the fights to help promote future fights between Hearn's stable. It makes me wonder does Hearn have any interest in the Parker unification when it's Wilder who has been heavily pushed in the UK and not Joey, maybe Joey is perceived a tougher fight and more of a stumbling block.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Parker was being aired on Sky as they were beginning to build up the mandatory between JP and AJ, then I believe he fought for the vacant title on Boxnation and the Razvan defence too was overlooked, the UK fans have been shown all the recent Wilder fights since AJ collected a belt I believe. To my knowledge Boxnation had the Showtime output agreement but now that appears to have dissipated since.

It's a simple case of Sky buying the fights to help promote future fights between Hearn's stable. It makes me wonder does Hearn have any interest in the Parker unification when it's Wilder who has been heavily pushed in the UK and not Joey, maybe Joey is perceived a tougher fight and more of a stumbling block.

My understanding is there was never a Showtime output deal in regards to boxing and sport in the UK. It's essentially who can negotiate the better deal. Floyd-Conor was an example of this both Sky and Boxnation tendered for the fight, Sky offered the better deal and got the fight. Boxnation had some sort of deal with PBC in 2015 but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve Showtime. Sky definitely seem to have the better relationship with Showtime these days, I'd confidently speculate this is due to AJ signing a deal with Sho. Parker vs Ruiz ended up on Boxnation because of Bob Arums involvement, Bob and Frank Warren have always maintained a strong business relationship going back decades. The Cojanu fight was picked up last minute by Sky wasn't it? I'm sure it was.
I agree that they don't seem to have much interest in Parker. IMO the top HW's would beat Parker. Maybe they do see it differently though and think the risk of fighting Parker outweighs the reward. I think Hearn is very wary of risking AJ as essentially his whole business model now rests on AJ's shoulders.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You can spin this any way you want. Fact is, Wilder is not a popular boxer, even among boxing fans. Perhaps if he had an opponent to elevate his status he'd be more popular. Wilder is the Larry Holmes of 2017. A champion without a big name opponent on his resume.

The reason I brought up Holyfield, Lewis, Fury is because even casuals knew who they were. Outside of boxing, no one knows Deontay Wilder. Like I said, go ask around, a majority of people questioned probably think he is a basketball or football player.

Have you seriously just said Larry Holmes never had a "big name" on his resume HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
He fought Muhammad Ali the biggest sporting icon of all time!!!
You've just took a massive L bro.

[GhostofDempsey]

Have you seriously just said Larry Holmes never had a "big name" on his resume HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
He fought Muhammad Ali the biggest sporting icon of all time!!!
You've just took a massive L bro.

A shot, over the hill Ali. That win didn't help to seal his legacy, did it? I'm talking about an Ali/Frazier equivalent type opponent. The closest Holmes had to a rival was Cooney, and that was a race-hyped fight.

You want to make a case for the greatness of Wilder go right ahead. Ten or twenty years from now no one will remember him. He'll be a blip on the radar that came and went. The only possible way he can establish a legacy is to remain undefeated for 51 fights.

[Jewish-Reptile]

My understanding is there was never a Showtime output deal in regards to boxing and sport in the UK. It's essentially who can negotiate the better deal. Floyd-Conor was an example of this both Sky and Boxnation tendered for the fight, Sky offered the better deal and got the fight. Boxnation had some sort of deal with PBC in 2015 but I'm pretty sure it didn't involve Showtime. Sky definitely seem to have the better relationship with Showtime these days, I'd confidently speculate this is due to AJ signing a deal with Sho. Parker vs Ruiz ended up on Boxnation because of Bob Arums involvement, Bob and Frank Warren have always maintained a strong business relationship going back decades. The Cojanu fight was picked up last minute by Sky wasn't it? I'm sure it was.
I agree that they don't seem to have much interest in Parker. IMO the top HW's would beat Parker. Maybe they do see it differently though and think the risk of fighting Parker outweighs the reward. I think Hearn is very wary of risking AJ as essentially his whole business model now rests on AJ's shoulders.

If memory serves I streamed it on Boxnation, Furry was to face Parker and pulled out, the Razvan/JP I believe carried over to BN I believe, could be wrong.

Takam Parker was picked up by Sky to build the winner vs AJ before JP went for the vacant belt versus Ruiz another fight I believe I streamed on Boxnation, hard to recall with certainty.

I recall reading comments on social media regrading Boxnation having output agreements with Showtime and Sauerland, this was possibly as far as 4-5 years ago, clearly Sky have the jump with Sho now though.

[The Gambler1981]

You can spin this any way you want. Fact is, Wilder is not a popular boxer, even among boxing fans. Perhaps if he had an opponent to elevate his status he'd be more popular. Wilder is the Larry Holmes of 2017. A champion without a big name opponent on his resume.

The reason I brought up Holyfield, Lewis, Fury is because even casuals knew who they were. Outside of boxing, no one knows Deontay Wilder. Like I said, go ask around, a majority of people questioned probably think he is a basketball or football player.

Yea he does need a big name opponent to get to the next level, but his level is currently just fine, he is much better known to the boxing public that you are making out and in an important market he is much better known than Joshua.

If Joshua wants to have the islander mentality and just focus on his little fiefdom he can do that and do just fine, if Joshua wants to be insanely huge he needs to be looking outside his little kingdom~