Comments Thread For: Arum Has No Idea If and When Pacquiao Will Fight Again

[travestyny]

Go check out ROUND #3 for starters. Manny should have won that round yet those VEGAS judges closed their eyes just like the VEGAS ref ....

Man, not even 1 judge that was neutral. Dave Moretti keeps on judging for Floyd as his go to man. Only can happen in VEGAS with their home town golden goose named Floyd Mayweather.



Crying? Just calling it the TRUTH!!!
Here is Marquez on Floyd and VEGAS .....


Juan Manuel Marquez:" Mayweather 'protected' in Vegas, can only be beaten by KO."

"We all know how things are done when fighting Mayweather in Las Vegas. In that city the officials protect him, let him do everything. Fighting him there is a burden," Marquez told krikya360.com.

"Look, do you know how Mayweather can be beaten?
Only by knockout, and how can you knock out an opponent who does not want to fight, who doesn't throw punches, and hits you with a jab and you may have won the round but they still give it to him?"


Juan Marquez is basically saying what I said!!!


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Do you believe Pacquiao won the fight?

If so, please post your scorecard. I'm dying to see it.

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Do you believe Pacquiao won the fight?

If so, please post your scorecard. I'm dying to see it.

I have not watched the fight in a while but when I do, I will rescore it and post it.


But as you know, 2 judges had it 116-112.

I know for sure that Manny should have won Round #3. So to say, the judges definitely had that round WRONG! So that would have made it 115-113 for 2 VEGAS judges .... but as Juan Marquez said, that is not happening in VEGAS with Floyd Mayweather fighting!

Even the VEGAS judges basically had it a 2 round swing for Floyd. Manny is given 2 rounds and its a draw. So even the VEGAS judges didn't see what you Floyd fans saw ....

Oh wait, unless you go by Dave Moretti's score card which is VEGAS Casino's and Floyd's go to judge!


So when you get those types of scores in Vegas with Floyd fighting it, its pretty often should be a draw or a win for the opponent.


Like Marquez said, why does Floyd have to try and fight when the judges give the rounds to him?



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[travestyny]

I have not watched the fight in a while but when I do, I will rescore it and post it.


But as you know, 2 judges had it 116-112.

I know for sure that Manny should have won Round #3. So to say, the judges definitely had that round WRONG! So that would have made it 115-113 for 2 VEGAS judges .... but as Juan Marquez said, that it not happening in VEGAS with Floyd Mayweather fighting!

Even the VEGAS judges basically had it a 2 round swing for Floyd. Manny is given 2 rounds and its a draw. So even the VEGAS judges didn't see what you Floyd fans saw ....

Oh wait, unless you go by Dave Moretti's score card which is VEGAS Casino's and Floyd's go to judge!


So when you get those types of scores in Vegas with Floyd fighting it, its pretty often should be a draw or a win for the opponent.


Like Marquez said, why does Floyd have to try and fight when the judges give the rounds to him?



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The point is, what does all of this matter if very few believe Pac won. You brought up Harold Lederman before, and he had Pac losing more than 2 of the judges did.

Now you're saying that because YOU think Pac won round 3, that makes it closer on the judges scorecard. Um...no it doesn't. They didn't believe that he won the round.

You gave praise to Lederman for scoring the 2nd for Pac. What do you think of him scoring the 3rd for Mayweather? Are you saying that he has good judging ability, or poor judging ability?

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The point is, what does all of this matter if very few believe Pac won. You brought up Harold Lederman before, and he had Pac losing more than 2 of the judges did.

Now you're saying that because YOU think Pac won round 3, that makes it closer on the judges scorecard. Um...no it doesn't. They didn't believe that he won the round.

You gave praise to Lederman for scoring the 2nd for Pac. What do you think of him scoring the 3rd for Mayweather? Are you saying that he has good judging ability, or poor judging ability?

Go back to when all this was discussed and even now. What Floyd fans are saying is that Floyd won the fight easily and convincingly. I said that that is not the case. I analyzed some of the rounds where the VEGAS judges gave it to Floyd and thought that they were either too close to call or that Manny could have and in some cases should have won the round.


ROUND #3,
Was incorrectly scored by all 3 judges!!! Are you saying that I'm wrong and they are right?

Judges can be wrong for whatever reason. Are you saying that is not possible?

In Floyd's case, as Juan Marquez says, "We all know" that Floyd is protected by the VEGAS judges.



In VEGAS, when Floyd fights, you have to beat him decisively and HOPE that they give you the round. Go ask Maidana on how they gave him little credit in their first fight. Then the same judge that gave Maidana little credit is the judge for their 2nd fight. That to me this is corruption!!! On top of that, it should NOT be happening where a judge can be Floyd's judge for about 9 or 10 of his last 12 fights.



Floyd himself admitted that he didn't want to fight in LA because he was concerned that the judges would favor Castillo in the rematch. So he demanded it be in his home turf of VEGAS. Yet you say that I'm dreaming this all up? Even Juan Marquez when he says that "We all know ...."? Even Floyd knows where his home turf is .... Floyd wasn't even willing to go to LA, USA to fight a Mexican!!!




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[travestyny]

Go back to when all this was discussed and even now. What Floyd fans are saying is that Floyd won the fight easily and convincingly. I said that that is not the case. I analyzed some of the rounds where the VEGAS judges gave it to Floyd and thought that they were either too close to call or that Manny could have and in some cases should have won the round.


ROUND #3,
Was incorrectly scored by all 3 judges!!! Are you saying that I'm wrong and they are right?

Judges can be wrong for whatever reason. In Floyd's case, as Juan Marquez says, "We all know" that Floyd is protected by the VEGAS judges.


In VEGAS, when Floyd fights, you have to beat him decisively and HOPE that they give you the round. Go ask Maidana on how they gave him little credit in their first fight. Then the same judge that gave Maidana little credit is the judge for their 2nd fight. That to me this is corruption!!! On top of that, it should NOT be happening where a judge can be Floyd's judge for about 9 or 10 of his last 12 fights.



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Why the **** do you keep quoting Marquez to me? Is he the authority of corruption in Vegas? Tell me how De La Hoya got the nod on one scorecard. Tell me how Canelo got a draw. Both in Vegas.

This doesn't even ****ing matter unless you believe Manny won, which you won't even go on record saying!!!

For the record, I believe professional judges all day, everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday before believing YOU. Who the **** are you?

You gave Lederman props, and he judged the 3rd for Mayweather. Again, what do you think of him now that you know that? Can you answer???

Be careful....you already tried to use him as a judge that had no agenda since he scored round 2 for Pac. Now if you say he was off on what you seem to be saying was an obvious Pac round....that just calls into judgment your previous statement. You're kinda in a bind, aren't you?

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Why the **** do you keep quoting Marquez to me? Is he the authority of corruption in Vegas? Tell me how De La Hoya got the nod on one scorecard. Tell me how Canelo got a draw. Both in Vegas.

This doesn't even ****ing matter unless you believe Manny won, which you won't even go on record saying!!!

For the record, I believe professional judges all day, everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday before believing YOU. Who the **** are you?

You gave Lederman props, and he judged the 3rd for Mayweather. Again, what do you think of him now that you know that? Can you answer???

Be careful....you already tried to use him as a judge that had no agenda since he scored round 2 for Pac. Now if you say he was off on what you seem to be saying was an obvious Pac round....that just calls into judgment your previous statement. You're kinda in a bind, aren't you?

Are you serious?
You would take Adelaide Byrd's score from the fight a couple of weeks ago? CJ Ross's score?

When someone scored a draw against Floyd, they need to move along and retire because even a draw was not acceptable. Adelaide Byrd's score was bad but she is still allowed to judge since it was not against the protected Floyd.

Maybe you have not realized this but it's common for people to discuss the outcome of a fight and give their opinion!!! I'm not the first one not the last ....


You still do not get it.
If I bring up a specific round, I try to back it up with something. I said Lederman, a former judge, gave Manny the second round. That meant that some people also had it the other way around. So it was not a round that was clear decisive round for Floyd BUT that does not mean that Lederman or the VEGAS judges cannot be wrong about any round. They can and were .....

So if a Floyd fan says, as they did, that Floyd won the first 3 rounds easily, I can and did come back and say, NOPE, that is not the case.


So the point was if those rounds were close enough and as I pointed out, should have gone to Manny (eg. round 3), one could have had a different score. VEGAS judges had it 116-112 but it could have easily have been 114-114 based on those 2 rounds alone ....

Go check out the opinions of people on the Canelo vs GGG fight. There were some rounds that were clearly for 1 fighter or the other. Those rounds you cannot give to the other fighter. Just like the clear rounds won by Manny or Floyd, you cannot BUT the questionable rounds can swing the other way. There were enough of those .... and as I said, some clearly should have but it is VEGAS!!! Floyd is the "house" so he has the "protection" and the "odds" in his favor before the fight even begins!!!








BTW - I had edited my previous post to include this.

Even Floyd knows the truth:

Floyd himself admitted that Floyd didn't want to fight in LA, USA because he was concerned that the judges would favor Castillo in the rematch. So he demanded it be in his home turf of VEGAS. Yet you say that I'm dreaming this all up? Even Juan Marquez when he says that "We all know ...."?

Even Floyd knows where his home turf is .... Floyd wasn't even willing to go to LA, USA to fight a Mexican!!!




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[travestyny]

Are you serious?
You would take Adelaide Byrd's score from the fight a couple of weeks ago? CJ Ross's score?

When someone scored a draw against Floyd, they need to move along and retire because even a draw was not acceptable. Adelaide Byrd's score was bad but she is still allowed to judge since it was not against the protected Floyd.

Maybe you have not realized this but it's common for people to discuss the outcome of a fight and give their opinion!!! I'm not the first one not the last ....


You still do not get it.
If I bring up a specific round, I try to back it up with something. I said Lederman, a former judge, gave Manny the second round. That meant that some people also had it the other way around. So it was not a round that was clear decisive round for Floyd BUT that does not mean that Lederman or the VEGAS judges cannot be wrong about any round. They can and were .....

So if a Floyd fan says, as they did, that Floyd won the first 3 rounds easily, I can and did come back and say, NOPE, that is not the case.


So the point was if those rounds were close enough and as I pointed out, should have gone to Manny (eg. round 3), one could have had a different score. VEGAS judges had it 116-112 but it could have easily have been 114-114 based on those 2 rounds alone ....

Go check out the opinions of people on the Canelo vs GGG fight. There were some rounds that were clearly for 1 fighter or the other. Those rounds you cannot give to the other fighter. Just like the clear rounds won by Manny or Floyd, you cannot BUT the questionable rounds can swing the other way. There were enough of those .... and as I said, some clearly should have but it is VEGAS!!! Floyd is the "house" so he has the "protection" and the "odds" in his favor before the fight even begins!!!








BTW - I had edited my previous post to include this.

Even Floyd knows the truth:

Floyd himself admitted that Floyd didn't want to fight in LA, USA because he was concerned that the judges would favor Castillo in the rematch. So he demanded it be in his home turf of VEGAS. Yet you say that I'm dreaming this all up? Even Juan Marquez when he says that "We all know ...."?

Even Floyd knows where his home turf is .... Floyd wasn't even willing to go to LA, USA to fight a Mexican!!!




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Do you actually realize that your whole agenda is to say that the judges were biased. Yet you praised one judge, Lederman, who had Pacquiao losing 117 - 111....which is worse than 2 of the official judges.

Next you are trying to say the fight could have easily been 114 -114. Let's be clear. the fight could have been anything. I'm sure Skip Bayless had an interesting scorecard.

The thing is this: MOST JUDGES DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. YOU HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE 4 PROFESSIONAL JUDGES THAT SAY PAC LOST THE 3RD. LIKE PROFESSIONAL...AND AT THE FIGHT. YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. YET YOU ARE RIGHT. I NEED TO SEE YOUR CREDENTIALS.

JUDGES ON THE HBO SIDE HAD IT FOR FLOYD. OH, THAT WOULD BE YOUR BOY HAROLD LEDERMAN.

HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THE JUDGES ARE BIASED AND YET THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF ALL JUDGES HAD PACQUIAO LOSING JUST AS BAD AS THE OFFICAL JUDGES SAY HE DID (8 ROUNDS TO 4, TO BE EXACT), INCLUDING THE ONE PROFESSIONAL JUDGE THAT YOU SINGLED OUT AS BEING FAIR!

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Do you actually realize that your whole agenda is to say that the judges were biased. Yet you praised one judge, Lederman, who had Pacquiao losing 117 - 111....which is worse than 2 of the official judges.

Next you are trying to say the fight could have easily been 114 -114. Let's be clear. the fight could have been anything. I'm sure Skip Bayless had an interesting scorecard.

The thing is this: MOST JUDGES DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. YOU HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE 4 PROFESSIONAL JUDGES THAT SAY PAC LOST THE 3RD. LIKE PROFESSIONAL...AND AT THE FIGHT. YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. YET YOU ARE RIGHT. I NEED TO SEE YOUR CREDENTIALS.

JUDGES ON THE HBO SIDE HAD IT FOR FLOYD. OH, THAT WOULD BE YOUR BOY HAROLD LEDERMAN.

HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THE JUDGES ARE BIASED AND YET THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF ALL JUDGES HAD PACQUIAO LOSING JUST AS BAD AS THE OFFICAL JUDGES SAY HE DID (8 ROUNDS TO 4, TO BE EXACT), INCLUDING THE ONE PROFESSIONAL JUDGE THAT YOU SINGLED OUT AS BEING FAIR!

Then go and analyze ROUND #3 and let me know if you agree with the "Biased VEGAS judges" or not.

If you do, try to be as objective as you can.

I analyzed that round and it was not clear enough for me to say that Floyd won convincingly enough that all 3 VEGAS judges should have had it for him ... For them, they just see that it was "close enough" to give it to their man, Floyd and they did .... in fact, I see that round being a Manny round!!!!



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[travestyny]

Then go and analyze ROUND #3 and let me know if you agree with the "Biased VEGAS judges" or not.

If you do, try to be as objective as you can.

I analyzed that round and it was not clear enough for me to say that Floyd won convincingly enough that all 3 VEGAS judges should have had it for him ... For them, they just see that it was "close enough" to give it to their man, Floyd and they did .... in fact, I see that round being a Manny round!!!!
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Dude, you have to stop with all the wild speculation.

Doug Fischer scored the fight 116 - 112 Mayweather. That's all you need to know about the judges' scorecards and any bias!

First of all, this conversation is worthless until you go and score the fight yourself, which I've already asked you to do. Post your scorecard.

Second, I've watched this fight a few times. The first round that I give to Pac was the 4th.

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Dude, you have to stop with all the wild speculation.

Doug Fischer scored the fight 116 - 112 Mayweather. That's all you need to know about the judges' scorecards and any bias!

First of all, this conversation is worthless until you go and score the fight yourself, which I've already asked you to do. Post your scorecard.

Second, I've watched this fight a few times. The first round that I give to Pac was the 4th.

Is your real name Dave Moretti?

Go watch round 3 again. Manny did better in that round than Floyd.


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