Comments Thread For: Roach: Not Sure If Pacquiao is Mad at Me - I Haven't Been Paid

[WesternChamp]

His father and uncle were boxers, who didn't make a lot of money. Add to that, his father was NOT a good father! You might want to do your homework:

Floyd Mayweather Jr. found himself staring down the barrel of a *******. There were tears, then an unabashed wail that only added to the sense of foreboding that something bad was about to happen in his Grand Rapids, Mich., home.

Floyd was not quite two years old.

According to Rolling Stone, at the other end of a potential tragedy was a man known to all simply as "Baboon." Tony Sinclair was his given name, and a brother of Floyd's mother, Deborah. More importantly, to this story at least, Baboon was a business associate of the toddler's father "Big" Floyd, a small-time drug dealer and the first of three Mayweather brothers to rise toward the top of the fight game.

That Floyd Sr. never made it quite as far his younger brothers was the least of his problems on Jan. 21, 1979. Baboon had come into the house, not to threaten a child, but to settle things with Floyd Sr.

According to family legend, business had gone badly between the two men. Only one of them, however, was an accomplished enough pugilist to have taken the great Sugar Ray Leonard to a decision just four months earlier.

Floyd Sr. grabbed Sinclair by the throat at a local roller rink and sent him scurrying. When he returned to find "Big" Floyd in the home where they both lived, Sinclair had a 20-gauge friend and death in his eyes. Floyd Sr. had nothing but his young son, who he held by the ankles in front of him as the world's tiniest human shield.



Who is this enigma, though? What has made him the phenomenon he is? In the most reflective interview he has given in a long time, Mayweather spoke this week of the pain that made him, for better or worse. "It was never a stable home," he said of life with his father and sometime trainer, Floyd Sr, who infamously once held baby Floyd by the ankles in front of him, a shield against the attentions of a gun-toting relative. "I would go back and forth between New Jersey and Michigan. Sometimes I would stay with my grandmother who would clean up offices and hotel rooms.

"My dad? I would see him when it was time to go the boxing gym or to run errands with him and, because he was a hustler, things could get a little wild sometimes. I had a rollercoaster ride and basically I raised myself. It was my older sister who made sure I got up every morning and went to school.

"I had three pair of pants, three shirts and one pair of shoes. The running water we had was cold so we would heat water on the stove. We never had a key to open the door and we would pop the lock with a butter knife. There were no lights in the building. It smelt of urine to outsiders who came in, but to me it never because I was used to it. People would say 'Oh, what is that smell. But I was used to it.'

"They built a hotel across the street and I would go and do back flips for $1 on the grass outside. I had a friend called James Brown and, when we had enough money from flipping, we'd go to Burger King.

"Every weekend I would go to another family member and I could call other relatives because [his grandmother] had a phone. I then went back to Michigan and my father would beat me for anything I did, even if I hadn't done anything. I used to pray for the day I could become an adult and get away from it. I got tired of getting beat.



I bring up Haymon because many fights fans, after the Arums and Don Kings of the world, actually hate Haymon for how well-paid his fighters are! That's insane! Floyd's career took off like a rocket AFTER leaving Arum! Arum is a snake! I guarantee you Manny would've been better off leaving Arum for Haymon, before he fought Bradley the 1st time, definitely before he fought him the 2nd time!

can you stop posting link and have a regular conversation for once???? his father and uncle might not be ATGs, etc, BUT they were pro boxers. how are you gonna compare that with the way pac was brought up? you bring up haymon but you were just talking smack about pac fans defending arum but you are doing the same thing here with haymon! LOL

[Bronx2245]

can you stop posting link and have a regular conversation for once???? his father and uncle might not be ATGs, etc, BUT they were pro boxers. how are you gonna compare that with the way pac was brought up? you bring up haymon but you were just talking smack about pac fans defending arum but you are doing the same thing here with haymon! LOL

Sorry for giving you actual references. My bad! What difference does it make if they were pro boxers if they weren't making any dough, or if the dough was coming into the house their child was raised in? Poverty is poverty! Pacquiao's poverty and surroundings were bad, just like Floyd's and Tyson's! That doesn't mean they deserve to be exploited! I would post Frankie Gacal's (Pac's former lawyer) statement regarding those people surrounding Manny, but you wouldn't like it, and worst, you probably won't believe it!

[WesternChamp]

His father and uncle were boxers, who didn't make a lot of money. Add to that, his father was NOT a good father! You might want to do your homework:

Floyd Mayweather Jr. found himself staring down the barrel of a *******. There were tears, then an unabashed wail that only added to the sense of foreboding that something bad was about to happen in his Grand Rapids, Mich., home.

Floyd was not quite two years old.

According to Rolling Stone, at the other end of a potential tragedy was a man known to all simply as "Baboon." Tony Sinclair was his given name, and a brother of Floyd's mother, Deborah. More importantly, to this story at least, Baboon was a business associate of the toddler's father "Big" Floyd, a small-time drug dealer and the first of three Mayweather brothers to rise toward the top of the fight game.

That Floyd Sr. never made it quite as far his younger brothers was the least of his problems on Jan. 21, 1979. Baboon had come into the house, not to threaten a child, but to settle things with Floyd Sr.

According to family legend, business had gone badly between the two men. Only one of them, however, was an accomplished enough pugilist to have taken the great Sugar Ray Leonard to a decision just four months earlier.

Floyd Sr. grabbed Sinclair by the throat at a local roller rink and sent him scurrying. When he returned to find "Big" Floyd in the home where they both lived, Sinclair had a 20-gauge friend and death in his eyes. Floyd Sr. had nothing but his young son, who he held by the ankles in front of him as the world's tiniest human shield.



Who is this enigma, though? What has made him the phenomenon he is? In the most reflective interview he has given in a long time, Mayweather spoke this week of the pain that made him, for better or worse. "It was never a stable home," he said of life with his father and sometime trainer, Floyd Sr, who infamously once held baby Floyd by the ankles in front of him, a shield against the attentions of a gun-toting relative. "I would go back and forth between New Jersey and Michigan. Sometimes I would stay with my grandmother who would clean up offices and hotel rooms.

"My dad? I would see him when it was time to go the boxing gym or to run errands with him and, because he was a hustler, things could get a little wild sometimes. I had a rollercoaster ride and basically I raised myself. It was my older sister who made sure I got up every morning and went to school.

"I had three pair of pants, three shirts and one pair of shoes. The running water we had was cold so we would heat water on the stove. We never had a key to open the door and we would pop the lock with a butter knife. There were no lights in the building. It smelt of urine to outsiders who came in, but to me it never because I was used to it. People would say 'Oh, what is that smell. But I was used to it.'

"They built a hotel across the street and I would go and do back flips for $1 on the grass outside. I had a friend called James Brown and, when we had enough money from flipping, we'd go to Burger King.

"Every weekend I would go to another family member and I could call other relatives because [his grandmother] had a phone. I then went back to Michigan and my father would beat me for anything I did, even if I hadn't done anything. I used to pray for the day I could become an adult and get away from it. I got tired of getting beat.



I bring up Haymon because many fights fans, after the Arums and Don Kings of the world, actually hate Haymon for how well-paid his fighters are! That's insane! Floyd's career took off like a rocket AFTER leaving Arum! Arum is a snake! I guarantee you Manny would've been better off leaving Arum for Haymon, before he fought Bradley the 1st time, definitely before he fought him the 2nd time!

who else is making bank being under haymon besides floyd????

look at you so mad at arum LOL.

i can tell you if pac went to haymon, manny would be used as a stepping stone. you really think haymon is gonna spend the time to build pac's image up like what arum did?

you really think floyd is gonna allow haymon hype manny up and get paid well with floyd possibly having to take a pay cut? pac would have been put on the shelf. you cant deny the fact how arum promoted manny.

i dont think haymon or even oscar would put that much effort in to it. arum turned pac into a god for his own people.

[WesternChamp]

Sorry for giving you actual references. My bad! What difference does it make if they were pro boxers if they weren't making any dough, or if the dough was coming into the house their child was raised in? Poverty is poverty! Pacquiao's poverty and surroundings were bad, just like Floyd's and Tyson's! That doesn't mean they deserve to be exploited! I would post Frankie Gacal's (Pac's former lawyer) statement regarding those people surrounding Manny, but you wouldn't like it, and worst, you probably won't believe it!

the difference is, floyd had a house, a roof over him. a place to sleep, etc!! mofo was in the gym as a ******** kid learning how to box already!!! dont ever try to compare floyd's upbringing with manny. shiiet aint even close and its pretty pathetic for you to even try and compare to 2.

[MrRolltide91]

Interesting....

[ironmt]

If you were watching roach looked irritated after round 1, as he was trying to give advice but buboy is playing head trainer, Roach chimes in stop screaming at him, with disgust

I will have to watch between rounds again. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Liondw]

Forgiveness is the way Manny.

[Liondw]

Forgiveness is the way Manny. You do sometimes wonder how he would have boxed, better or worse or the same, with a different trainer.

[MrRolltide91]

Like I said before, that Saturday night (or Sunday morning actually) was rock bottom for that entire team. Flat out. Of their entire run. The JMM KO wasn't, and neither was losing to Floyd. Those were against two first ballot Hall of Famers. Two of the best of their generation.

Team Pacquiao thought this was going to be easy money. A quick little showcase and money grab against a nobody. It was the perfect storm, though. Go to a guy's country, his own backyard with 50,000 Australians behind him. The kid had absolutely zero to lose and EVERYTHING to gain. And he fought like it, too. So many people said that it was going to be a f**king cakewalk but I was worried about this fight from the onset. And I expressed that sentiment here but I was largely laughed at. Posters thought I was just saying that **** to legitimize the fight. But here you have a guy with nothing to lose, and a rabid, robust crowd right behind him, and in the other corner you have a 38 year old, end of the line, part-time fighter who has been on the biggest stages this sport has offered. And you're going to get up for a no-name if you're Manny? When everyone is telling you that this guy is a nobody and a guy that you can KO at a time of your choosing? When you've been through 68 some career pro fights? When you've fought under the brightest lights this sport has to offer? And you're gonna get up mentally for this? A guy you didn't even know existed? When you're a full-time politician?

Horn was young, hungry, and had absolutely nothing to lose. Fighting off the incredible adrenaline of fighting an old legend in front of your countrymen.

It was a recipe for disaster. And disaster happened. Which is leading to all this finger pointing. Freddie doesn't even take responsibility for his own corner. His ass was blaming f**king Buboy, lmao. Arum blames the entire corner. Manny comes out publicly and says that he felt set up and now dude won't even look his own trainer in the eye.

Rock f**king bottom.

Good post

They were also trying to cash in on floyd rematch.

[GOD-FR33]

**** you Roach!!!!!!!

**** you Roach!!!!!! You are a back-stabbing S.O.B.! All you do is talk **** about Manny after a loss. Where is your loyalty? You know, like how Manny has been to you?

Manny isn't ******, he is just loyal. Roach is running his mouth too much about how close the fight was, how Manny couldn't finish Horn, etc. He didn't ONCE address the ref for the dirty fighting Horn was doing. He didn't once say after the fight, that at age 38, Manny STILL beat Horn's ass! Not once! Manny is pissed at Roach and Arum. The end.