Comments Thread For: Jeff Horn Shocks Manny Pacquiao in Blood-Filled Upset!

[Brz_Pugilist]

Well I think horn did enough, 2points sway either way is no problem either.
But ya 100% the 117-111 was a far 2 wide.

It's hard for me to give horn 7 rounds. Yes he was aggressive but it's about clean punching. It reminds me of the fight with triple G and jacobs

[Johnny_Roa]

I had it 114-113 for Horn as well. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but he looked like **** all night, barely landed the straight left clean all night except the 9th round, and after two flurries to end that round he was spent the rest of the fight and gave away the final three rounds to Horn, after already failing to take control the first 8 rounds. You can't give away the last three rounds, and the first round, and split the middle rounds or maybe win them 5-3, and expect to win. His stamina is gone to **** and his style relies on high punch output, especially at welterweight where his opponents are too big to hurt with single shots. If he's going to fight with such low punch output, he needs to move down in weight where he can hurt guys with single shots.

I think everyone was fooled by the commentary, just like Kovalev-Ward. Atlas dominated the commentary and gave Pacquiao almost every close round. He ignored clean shots by Horn and kept saying Pacquiao was landing clean and Horn wasn't even when Horn kept connecting the right to the head all night and outworked Pacquiao to the body as well. Pacquiao's left looked old and just a tiny bit slow all night so he either just missed Horn or hit him with glancing shots, very rarely did he catch Horn flush.

Horn did use his head a ton though. Not as bad or intentionally as Ward, but he fought pretty dirty. Just in terms of punches landed though, compubox is complete fiction, and I do believe Horn outlanded Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked bad against Vargas but the commentators shilled for him then too. He did beat Vargas, mostly because he finally caught Vargas and knocked him down and then took over after that. But if he hadn't dropped Vargas he might have lost that fight too, because before that moment that fight looked a lot like this, with Pacquiao barely throwing punches and struggling to catch Vargas clean because he looked slow.

He's old. This was no robbery at all. You could give it to Pacquiao close but he was far from dominant.

Spot on, and even though you're a Pac fan, you called it like it was.

Respect

[stephenmc]

I had it 114-113 for Horn as well. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but he looked like **** all night, barely landed the straight left clean all night except the 9th round, and after two flurries to end that round he was spent the rest of the fight and gave away the final three rounds to Horn, after already failing to take control the first 8 rounds. You can't give away the last three rounds, and the first round, and split the middle rounds or maybe win them 5-3, and expect to win. His stamina is gone to **** and his style relies on high punch output, especially at welterweight where his opponents are too big to hurt with single shots. If he's going to fight with such low punch output, he needs to move down in weight where he can hurt guys with single shots.

I think everyone was fooled by the commentary, just like Kovalev-Ward. Atlas dominated the commentary and gave Pacquiao almost every close round. He ignored clean shots by Horn and kept saying Pacquiao was landing clean and Horn wasn't even when Horn kept connecting the right to the head all night and outworked Pacquiao to the body as well. Pacquiao's left looked old and just a tiny bit slow all night so he either just missed Horn or hit him with glancing shots, very rarely did he catch Horn flush.

Horn did use his head a ton though. Not as bad or intentionally as Ward, but he fought pretty dirty. Just in terms of punches landed though, compubox is complete fiction, and I do believe Horn outlanded Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked bad against Vargas but the commentators shilled for him then too. He did beat Vargas, mostly because he finally caught Vargas and knocked him down and then took over after that. But if he hadn't dropped Vargas he might have lost that fight too, because before that moment that fight looked a lot like this, with Pacquiao barely throwing punches and struggling to catch Vargas clean because he looked slow.

He's old. This was no robbery at all. You could give it to Pacquiao close but he was far from dominant.

100% just what I've been saying

[fernandtg]

O cop on will ya.....
Their is no way way in he'll he landed 50% less, who's telling you that?espn? Cause they were saying Manny was landing when he was a mile off.

Get a bit of sense aswel as it's clear were not really watching the fight, the ref wasn't going to stop it over horn being "bashed up". Horn didn't throw much at all in the 8th and 9th,got caught with a cracking punch by Pacquiao and horn looked done as in fatigue,not bashed up, and he came out and won round 10.

No cuts in the fight were from punches, they were from clash of heads.

Does it really matter now anyway?
Horn will never get the respect for winning even if he KOd Pacquiao.
What way did you have it?

It was close fight and was scored as such......except for that Argentinean judge, that was way 2 wide either way

The most effective offensive by Horn weren't even punches. He fought better than anyone thought, but tell me which rounds did you see him outland and/or land the most meaningful punches?

I had it 9-3 (Gave Horn round 1, 10, and 5 or 7, can't recall which one right now) and could see it going 8-4.

How about you? What's your score?

[bronx7]

Ref no points taken for butts? Insane he was like a billy goat don't mistake mannys class for thinking he thought he lost! He knows he won

[Billy T]

Waleska Roldan from New York had the 117 - 110 score. How???????? PAC landed 90 more power punches.

[JK1700]

To all the people quoting the compubox numbers, you can't use that to totally measure fights. Compubox had Pacquiao outlanding Marquez by 50 punches in their 3rd fight which basically everyone thought Marquez won, and I find it very hard to believe he landed less punches that fight. It's 2 guys watching the fight counting what they think are punches and they do get it wrong. I could see Manny winning, and he's the type of guy that's going to outland his opponents most of the time, but that's not the only criteria for judging fights. The main reason they think it's a robbery is because the commentary is also so pro Pacquiao, if you watch it without commentary you'll see that it was actually competitive and close.

[ConRaffery]

First time Manny was favored 6-1... You guys think he sold it? That is some big bucks

Probably not but I reckon Arum is very happy with the result and I bet Crawford is absolutely livid he didnt get his shot first.

[future hendrixx]

teddy atlas was terrible tonight. horn took a lot of the early rounds and teddy gave no credit. bradley was afraid of speaking his mind to avoid an outburst from atlas, he clearly thought horn won but went along with the "outrage" to not get attacked. i dont wanna hear **** about age, this was supposed to be "short and sweet".. horn showed manny zero respect, he was mauling him all night. he wasnt star strucked like berto vs floyd. he was a savage in there. he took every punch and kept coming.

bradley knows what hes talking about hes just so afraid of debating he goes along with the program. horn won this fight.

horn got my respect tonight.

fck a rematch lets go straight to spence vs horn.

[Brz_Pugilist]

I had it 114-113 for Horn as well. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but he looked like **** all night, barely landed the straight left clean all night except the 9th round, and after two flurries to end that round he was spent the rest of the fight and gave away the final three rounds to Horn, after already failing to take control the first 8 rounds. You can't give away the last three rounds, and the first round, and split the middle rounds or maybe win them 5-3, and expect to win. His stamina is gone to **** and his style relies on high punch output, especially at welterweight where his opponents are too big to hurt with single shots. If he's going to fight with such low punch output, he needs to move down in weight where he can hurt guys with single shots.

I think everyone was fooled by the commentary, just like Kovalev-Ward. Atlas dominated the commentary and gave Pacquiao almost every close round. He ignored clean shots by Horn and kept saying Pacquiao was landing clean and Horn wasn't even when Horn kept connecting the right to the head all night and outworked Pacquiao to the body as well. Pacquiao's left looked old and just a tiny bit slow all night so he either just missed Horn or hit him with glancing shots, very rarely did he catch Horn flush. Atlas was imagining all the clean shots Pacquiao was landing, because he wasn't landing clean anymore than Horn was, and Horn outworked him.

Horn did use his head a ton though. Not as bad or intentionally as Ward, but he fought pretty dirty. Just in terms of punches landed though, compubox is complete fiction, and I do believe Horn outlanded Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked bad against Vargas but the commentators shilled for him then too. He did beat Vargas, mostly because he finally caught Vargas and knocked him down and then took over after that. But if he hadn't dropped Vargas he might have lost that fight too, because before that moment that fight looked a lot like this, with Pacquiao barely throwing punches and struggling to catch Vargas clean because he looked slow.

He's old. This was no robbery at all. You could give it to Pacquiao close but he was far from dominant.

Being the aggressor doesn't mean you win the fight. Pac landed the cleaner punches. Horn's style gave him fits not to mention he looked juice and just stronger than the two physically. Go back and watch the fight.