Manny Pacquiao's underrated resume

[IronDanHamza]

Let me give it a shot

Lost his final fight at 130
Fought the worst champion at 135
Fought a shot Hatton who got knocked out by Floyd and f'd up by Malignaggi
Fought a drained DLH at a catch weight
Fought the a fake WW champion at a catch weight
Fought a shot Margarito for a vacant Jr MW belt at a catch weight

F'd up by Malignaggi? What's that by dominating him for 10 rounds and stopping him?

You have picked holes, all resumes have holes. But what you can't question is the fact Pacquaio has a great resume.

[Spoon23]

I saw a similar thread to this on Roy Jones Jr's resume and how a lot of posters here feel that his resume is very underrated and that he might be the 160-175 GOAT in his prime.

This thread is not to compare Manny Pacquiao's resume to Roy Jones Jr's. But like the other thread it's trying to hypothetically compare that Manny Pacquiao in his prime might be the 126-140 GOAT with really only Duran and Chavez being able to dispute that.

So, let me give you an idea of how great Manny Pacquiao's resume really is.

Imagine if Leo Santa Cruz beat these fighters.

Beat Donnie Nietes for the World Flyweight Title at 112.

Beat Jessie Magdaleno for the World Super Bantamweight Title at 122.

Fight of the year with Gary Russell Jr. ending in a draw that would have ended with him winning a split decision had the scorecard been tallied up correctly winning the World Featherweight Title at 126.

Moves up to 130 and loses a close decision to Miguel Berchelt and rematches him less than a year later and stops him, then closes the trilogy a year after that by knocking him out.

Beats Vasyl Lomachenko in a split decision for the World Super Featherweight Title at 130.

Moves up 3 weight classes in less than a year to 147 and stops Shawn Porter.

Beats Danny Garcia at 140.

Beats Keith Thurman for the World Welterweight Title at 147. Then defends and retains his title against Adrien Broner, Jessie Vargas and Errol Spence Jr before finally leaving his prime.

For reference on those comparisons they're Donnie Nietes is Chatchai Sasakul, Pacquiao's first world title win in 1998 at 19 years old at 112. Jessie Magdaleno is Lehlo Ledwaba. Gary Russell Jr. is Juan Manuel Marquez at the time of their first fight. Miguel Berchelt is Erik Morales. I didn't include his win over Barrera. Vasyl Lomachenko is Juan Manuel Marquez at the time of their 2nd fight as Juan Manuel Marquez was considered the second best pound for pound fighter in the world in 2008. Shawn Porter is Oscar De La Hoya. Danny Garcia is Ricky Hatton as Hatton was frequently mentioned in pound for pound top 10 rankings 2005 through 2009 until Pacquiao knocked him out. Keith Thurman is Miguel Cotto. Adrien Broner, Jessie Vargas and Errol Spence Jr are Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley respectively as where Clottey, Margarito and Mosley's skill levels match up with Broner, Vargas and Spence at the time.

How can Manny Pacquiao's resume ever be doubted or called into question? It stacks up with the greatest of all-time. I don't care if he has radical fans from the Philippines or that casuals love him. His resume speaks for itself. Open your eyes and see that there has been no man with more love to fight in him than Manny Pacquiao, an all-time great.

Well said. Superb thread. Pacquiao's resume is how legends are made.

[ghost94]

I said his resume his great. Do you want me to give him a ******* and call him the greatest of all the time? Sheesh. I've seen people pick apart the resumes of fighters greater than Manny but Pac should get a free pass despite having been been stopped in his prime multiple times, gift decisions, and needing to drain bigger fighters.

How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone?

This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could.

[Elroy The Great]

the wins, doe....

vargas !
timmy 2x (lets be real, pac won them all) !
alcherry !
rios !
jmm (ok....)
ssm !
margarito !
clottey !
hatton !
Slh !
diaz !

(a few past it shop worn ATG sprinkled in)

when exactly was pac last significant win at ww (besides a close as hell jmm) ?

[Floyd is TBE]

How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone?

This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could.

Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it.

[Mike D]

F'd up by Malignaggi? What's that by dominating him for 10 rounds and stopping him?

Yeah that one threw me too, lol. F'd up by Paulie??

[Elroy The Great]

How is a man who fights nearly 20 pounds above his natural weight class accused of weight draining anyone?

This isn't even a resume thing. Bigger fighters lost to Pacquiao because he had too much speed and he carried up more power in weight than they thought he could.

he wouldnt go near cotto w/o a clause in hand.
margarito was allowed to weigh more than cotto when pac fought him.

he also navigates his way through ww pretty smoothly.

lastly, it doesnt matter what a guy used to weigh unless hes taking on guys much bigger than him minus a clause. thats the only time you can give a guy props. pac vs 3g-canelo winner at mw ?!?!?! if pac were to beat the winner, id let my gf suck his ****.

[Mike D]

Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it.

Everybody hates when everybody does it. It ain't like Manny got a free pass on that ****. He got ****ted on as much as anybody for the CW's. But guess what, ALL the A-sides do it. That's the benefit of being an A-side. You get the advantages. If motherf**kers wanna fight you and get that payday then they gotta sign under the dotted line agreeing to YOUR stipulations. That's the way it is. I don't fault any of them for doing it. They earned that **** by becoming the A-side.

It's like in the other pro sports -- when you're the BETTER team throughout the season, you get home field/home court/home whatever advantage in the playoffs.

[ironmt]

Everybody hates when everybody does it. It ain't like Manny got a free pass on that ****. He got ****ted on as much as anybody for the CW's. But guess what, ALL the A-sides do it. That's the benefit of being an A-side. You get the advantages. If motherf**kers wanna fight you and get that payday then they gotta sign under the dotted line agreeing to YOUR stipulations. That's the way it is. I don't fault any of them for doing it. They earned that **** by becoming the A-side.

It's like in the other pro sports -- when you're the BETTER team throughout the season, you get home field/home court/home whatever advantage in the playoffs.

No doubt about It. That should put the catch weight bull$ h! t argument to rest.

[ghost94]

Pac was a short welter, but not an undersized one. Let's not pretend Manny ever needed to drain anyone, he fought catchweights because it gave him an advantage. Just like Canelo does, but everyone hates when he does it.

Okay, who did he weight drain?

he wouldnt go near cotto w/o a clause in hand.
margarito was allowed to weigh more than cotto when pac fought him.

he also navigates his way through ww pretty smoothly.

lastly, it doesnt matter what a guy used to weigh unless hes taking on guys much bigger than him minus a clause. thats the only time you can give a guy props. pac vs 3g-canelo winner at mw ?!?!?! if pac were to beat the winner, id let my gf suck his ****.

Why wasn't Cotto weight drained when he weighed himself in at 146 against Clottey 6 months earlier without a clause to do so?

Margarito was allowed to weigh more because his last fight he weighed 8 more pounds than Cotto did.

And you're mocking the idea that a guy who's had less than a 1/4 of his fights at welterweight, never had a height or reach advantage, always punching upwards against a bigger man isn't a natural welterweight.

If he's such a natural welterweight why didn't anyone say Marquez weight drained him and made him come down to 144 to make a catchweight for their 3rd fight? Marquez was fighting down at 134 and 138 in his fights prior to Marquez Pacquiao III. That fight wasn't being made without a catchweight and Pacquiao, the A-side came down and nobody said he was weight drained and rightfully so because Manny Pacquiao isn't a natural welterweight, everyone knows he's not and anyone he fights at 147 is going to be bigger than him.

But then to paint what he did with catchweights as this great terror in the division and compare him to Canelo isn't right either because the only reason why Cotto and Margarito signed a catchweight clause is because they thought they could impose their size on him and use the size advantage even with a catchweight clause and beat him and they still couldn't, because Cotto was only coming down 1 pound.

When Canelo was making catchweights it was against smaller fighters so that he could impose himself as the bigger man, he wasn't weight draining anybody. He made Mosley come up from welterweight and made Cotto and Khan come up to the 155-160 middleweight limit. Canelo was a middleweight then fighting smaller fighters at a catchweight.