Comments Thread For: Boxing: Not Dying. Again.

[rickJen]

Boxing fans are not hard to please. Give them 2-4 high profile fights a year and they'll shout "who says boxing is dying?" Give them Thurman once a year and they'll say "boxing is back!!"

[GhostofDempsey]

This "analysis" is idiotic. Any junior financial analyst will tell you that a company's valuation is based on discounted cash flows. Since PBC has no fixed TV deals as of this second, the value of the shares are of course low as CAPEX is outlaid. Any fixed TV deal would flip these numbers instantly. This is simply mind-blowingly biased and absolutely terrible "journalism"..

"Journalism"...I quoted the same site that you quoted earlier.

The reason there are no fixed deals is because the initial response didn't pay off. Why would investors continue to invest in something if they aren't getting a return on their investment? So Haymon throws money at networks to put on these fights...which means there isn't enough revenue to be generated from sponsors to carry these fights.

You can argue this all day long. But keeping in the vein of this thread, boxing is not dead, but it certainly isn't as popular as it was with the general public 15-20 years ago. It doesn't get the same degree of respect and recognition as big league sports. Those are just facts. Doesn't mean I or anyone else on this thread is bashing boxing or being a pessimist. It is what it is.

[BWC]

"Journalism"...I quoted the same site that you quoted earlier.

The reason there are no fixed deals is because the initial response didn't pay off. Why would investors continue to invest in something if they aren't getting a return on their investment? So Haymon throws money at networks to put on these fights...which means there isn't enough revenue to be generated from sponsors to carry these fights.

You can argue this all day long. But keeping in the vein of this thread, boxing is not dead, but it certainly isn't as popular as it was with the general public 15-20 years ago. It doesn't get the same degree of respect and recognition as big league sports. Those are just facts. Doesn't mean I or anyone else on this thread is bashing boxing or being a pessimist. It is what it is.

Did I say it was as popular as mainstream sports? I said it COULD be with the proper investment and promotion. NASCAR, golf, and UFC all seem to be struggling terribly while boxing is on the upswing. There's tremendous opportunity as boxing could be one of the only big sports rights available on the horizon.

[big_james10]

In 2017, boxing is off life support. It might not be as healthy as it was in another era, but it’s nowhere near the grave.

Boxing is as healthy today as it was 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago. Joshua/Klitschko was as good as Ali/Foreman, Holmes/Cooney and Holyfield/Tyson I (not two). Mayweather/Pacquaio sold more PPVs than any fight in history. Mayweather/Alvarez was as big and hyped as De La Hoya/Trinidad and Leonard/Hearns. Alvarez/Golovkin is as good of a matchup as Jones/Toney. Frampton/Santa Cruz is as good of a matchup as Whitaker/Chavez Sr. (actually Frampton/Santa Cruz was better because Pernell Whitaker took the Mexican hero to school in a mismatch).

The point is that boxing is every bit as good and competitive today as it ever has been. Every year, for the last 30 years or so, some idiot journalist, blogger or HBO talking head resurrects this myth about boxing being dead. Yet, somehow boxing is still alive. Amazing!

[The D3vil]

In 2017, boxing is off life support. It might not be as healthy as it was in another era, but it’s nowhere near the grave.

Boxing is as healthy today as it was 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago. Joshua/Klitschko was as good as Ali/Foreman, Holmes/Cooney and Holyfield/Tyson I (not two). Mayweather/Pacquaio sold more PPVs than any fight in history. Mayweather/Alvarez was as big and hyped as De La Hoya/Trinidad and Leonard/Hearns. Alvarez/Golovkin is as good of a matchup as Jones/Toney. Frampton/Santa Cruz is as good of a matchup as Whitaker/Chavez Sr. (actually Frampton/Santa Cruz was better because Pernell Whitaker took the Mexican hero to school in a mismatch).

The point is that boxing is every bit as good and competitive today as it ever has been. Every year, for the last 30 years or so, some idiot journalist, blogger or HBO talking head resurrects this myth about boxing being dead. Yet, somehow boxing is still alive. Amazing!

Dude, you can't possibly believe most of that.

Are you really comparing Ali/Holmes to Joshua/Klitschko?

Muhammad Ali is the most famous & beloved athlete of all-time. By default any match he was involved in is going to be far more high-profile than anything Joshua or Klitschko are in.

Guys like Mike Tyson & Sugar Ray Leonard were household names on par with Michael Jordan & Joe Montana

Oscar De La Hoya has a statue outside of the Staples Center

You'd have to be completely oblivious to think that boxing is as big today as it was 30 years ago.

And it's not as competitive either as guys are protected a LOT more now and don't fight anywhere near as much as most guys used to 40 years ago.

[HarvardBlue]

Boxing will never die but it will also never reach its hay day again. There's two much competition from other sports. The most famous boxer is now retired and fighting a MMA fighter. There's no personalities to follow. That ones that do have a little personality can hardly communicate with a larger audience. There are no more mega fights.

We had some great fights so far this year now they have keep up the momentum.

[BWC]

Dude, you can't possibly believe most of that.

Are you really comparing Ali/Holmes to Joshua/Klitschko?

Muhammad Ali is the most famous & beloved athlete of all-time. By default any match he was involved in is going to be far more high-profile than anything Joshua or Klitschko are in.

Guys like Mike Tyson & Sugar Ray Leonard were household names on par with Michael Jordan & Joe Montana

Oscar De La Hoya has a statue outside of the Staples Center

You'd have to be completely oblivious to think that boxing is as big today as it was 30 years ago.

And it's not as competitive either as guys are protected a LOT more now and don't fight anywhere near as much as most guys used to 40 years ago.

Yeah we have to consider how different the sports landscape is now compared to then. Apple's to oranges.

We can say this. Thurman-Garcia ratings blew away any US Tennis audience in 2016, matched or exceeded any golf audience outside the Masters, beat any NHL game outside the Stanley Cup, and destroyed any UFC ratings in the last year. There's no reason with TR, GBP, and Showtime/PBC all competing boxing can't be a major part of the sports conversation. None at all. It may never see the heights we've seen in the past, but boxing can be big again..

[big_james10]

Dude, you can't possibly believe most of that.

Are you really comparing Ali/Holmes to Joshua/Klitschko?

Muhammad Ali is the most famous & beloved athlete of all-time. By default any match he was involved in is going to be far more high-profile than anything Joshua or Klitschko are in.

Guys like Mike Tyson & Sugar Ray Leonard were household names on par with Michael Jordan & Joe Montana

Oscar De La Hoya has a statue outside of the Staples Center

You'd have to be completely oblivious to think that boxing is as big today as it was 30 years ago.

And it's not as competitive either as guys are protected a LOT more now and don't fight anywhere near as much as most guys used to 40 years ago.

You have to be 12 years old if you DON'T realize that boxing is as big as it was 30 years ago. Unlike you, I actually watched live boxing 30 years ago. I saw Ali's fights on television against Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers and Leon Spinks. I also saw Ali's exhibition match against a wrestler and many of Ali's mismatches and snoozers that you seem to think never took place. I know how popular Ali was (both hated and liked), how good he was and how good his fights were. I saw Leonard and Hearns fights no-hopers on Saturday afternoon' Wide World of Sports broadcasts on ABC. I saw Leonard/Hearns and Leonard/Duran live on closed-circuit tv. I saw Hagler/Hearns live on tv. I also saw Whitaker/Chavez, Whitaker/De La Hoya, Holyfield/Tyson and all the other great fights of the last 30 years.

I was watching boxing long before the internet, boxing websites and ESPN existed. Since I have been watching boxing for 30 years, I know a hell of a lot more than you about how popular boxing was 30 years ago. Every fighter in every generation has fought great fights and fought mismatches. Sugar Ray Leonard fought Floyd Mayweather (Senior) who was a journeyman. Do you actually think that fight was better than Garcia/Thurman? Do you think Leonard vs Donny LaLonde was better than Spence/Brook?

The fights from 30, 20 and 10 years ago are no different than they are today. If you think otherwise, I would say that Roger Mayweather was talking about you when he said you DKSAB!

[big_james10]

Dude, you can't possibly believe most of that.

Are you really comparing Ali/Holmes to Joshua/Klitschko?

Muhammad Ali is the most famous & beloved athlete of all-time. By default any match he was involved in is going to be far more high-profile than anything Joshua or Klitschko are in.

Guys like Mike Tyson & Sugar Ray Leonard were household names on par with Michael Jordan & Joe Montana

Oscar De La Hoya has a statue outside of the Staples Center

You'd have to be completely oblivious to think that boxing is as big today as it was 30 years ago.

And it's not as competitive either as guys are protected a LOT more now and don't fight anywhere near as much as most guys used to 40 years ago.

Dude, you do know (at least I hope you know) that Ali/Holmes was a mismatch and NO ONE expected Ali to win that fight? Ali had retired and was probably already in the early stages of Parkinson's when he fought Holmes. It was nothing more than a money grab and anyone and everyone knew that. I refused to watch that fight (even the replay) because I hated seeing a man I admired for years (Ali) go out like that. If you actually think Ali/Holmes was as competitive as Klithscko/Joshua, then please send me your private email because I have a bridge I want to sell you.

[dazzo16]

it never was dying you kckunt