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    Kovalev vs. Stevenson. How does a narrative change?

    Do writers get together and decide to start saying the same thing? I remember when the Kovalev vs. Stevenson fight fell apart when they were both on HBO. I also remember HBO being blamed for the fight falling apart, and rightfully so.








    The tiny amount of money Dan is talking about is $100,000. Yvon Michel explained this when he released the emails between HBO and himself

    "When Al Haymon came on board we were at an impasse. I met with him and both agreed we were going to do the best to keep Adonis with HBO and we set our parameters. After that I flew in to New York and met with Peter Nelson. In that meeting I made an offer that would have closed the overall deal. He told me their offer was the best he could do and [he said regardless] we were not going to get anything better anywhere."
    "In his opinion, Showtime had spent all their money on Mayweather. I was persistent and came back 3 times with a lesser request each time. The last offer I made to him was the following: We wanted to pay Stevenson $300,000 more than we were able to pay him with the actual deal, for the Fonfara fight. So Al Haymon was going to take 100K from his pocket, 100k from mine and I requested HBO to add only 100K to the pot."...."I was stunned when Peter told me he was rejecting it. He also said - 'you see Yvon you have no other alternative and you can’t get another deal elsewhere so please tell Adonis to agree to the deal.' We then reached the deadline date set by HBO for my and Adonis’ approval [March 11]. The next day, March I2, I had a conversation with [Showtime Sports head] Stephen Espinoza, who asked me if he could make us an offer. On March 14 I got a proposal from Showtime. You know everything else. I immediately sent the proposal to HBO who had the right to match and they did not.
    " -

    //krikya360.com/stevenson....WjiqrlfS.dpuf

    A lot of anger and bitter words can’t conceal fact HBO’s 2013 misstep led to loss of Adonis Stevenson

    As fingers point in multiple directions in the fallout over the mess that saw Adonis Stevenson wind up on Showtime for his next fight rather than HBO, one salient point is being overlooked:

    None of this would be an issue if HBO had done its job last year and made certain not to televise an otherwise meaningless doubleheader featuring Stevenson and Sergey Kovalev without first having an agreement in place for them to meet on HBO in their next fight.

    But HBO failed to lock up the fighters when it had the opportunity. That failure has directly led to the disastrous situation that boxing once again finds itself in, where everyone involved is blaming someone else, where the fight fans want to see can't be made because of politics, and where blame for the lack of a deal abounds.


    Another lie that's often repeated is Stevenson ran to Haymon to protect him. The actual fact is when Stevenson wasn't happy with the money offered Haymon wasn't even his manager. Stevenson had been operating without a manager

    BoxingScene has an email, dated February 13 from Stevenson's attorney Jonathan Freund, and directed to Michel - where he tells Michel that Stevenson was looking for more money on "his next three fights."

    While Michel and Duva agreed to most of the terms, Michel says he was unable to convince Stevenson to accept the proposed purse and his team was unhappy with the license fee, and continuously cited that HBO paid over $3 million for Ward-Rodriguez. (Kovalev vs. Stevenson was #1 vs. #2 and they deserved more than Ward-Rodriguez)

    That email is crucial, because it took place "before" adviser Al Haymon became involved with Stevenson. The Canadian star signed with Haymon on February 18. Most of those involved place Haymon in the center of the Stevenson/HBO negotiating issues. Michel says Stevenson was requesting more money long before Haymon came in the picture.
    //krikya360.com/stevenson....WjiqrlfS.dpuf

    So after Stevenson went to Showtime there was still an opportunity to make the fight happen. Duva went to the WBC and petitioned them to make Kovalev vs. Pascal I an eliminator for Stevenson's WBC title. And the WBC complied and also agreed upon a 50/50 split for a purse bid. The challenger was to get 50/50 against the challenger in a purse bid. And Duva pulled out of the purse bid!

    Sulaiman explained that his organization was approached by Kovalev's promoter, Kathy Duva of Main Events, to have her fighter become the mandatory challenger. Despite Kovalev being the world champion of three rival organizations, the WBC allowed Kovalev to leapfrog ahead of the fighters in the top ten and they approved his promoter's request to make him the mandatory challenger in late 2014.

    Stevenson's promoter, Yvon Michel of GYM, claims Duva used the situation to angle a new contractual agreement with HBO for her boxer.
    //krikya360.com/wbc-prez-....yao1w54H.dpuf

    Main Events admitted Kovalev didn't have a deal with HBO at the time of the purse bid. There was no reason whatsoever for them to pull out of the purse bid. Duva wasn't expecting Michel to ask for the immediate purse bid. With their history of working together he did the correct thing. An Main Events never wins purse bids.




    Even after all that there was still talks of them fighting and Showtime offered a $4mil license fee to get the fight done



    How does the narrative in boxing change? Do the writers agree to change it when they get together for the BWAA awards? How can Dan Rafael go from saying Mayweather-Pac was a good fight on fight night



    To now saying the fight was bad and killed the sport?

    #2
    Who gives a sht this fight is fast approaching its sell by date.

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      #3
      I've been telling the idiots this same information for some time.

      It's amazing how the same usual suspects rewrite history and always accuse the black fighter of ducking, no matter how innacurate it is.

      Jacobs was accused of ducking GGG, Floyd accused of ducking everyone, wilder ducked everyone, Stevenson ducked everyone, ward ducked everyone, etc.

      For African American/black fighters to be some of the greatest fighters this world has ever known, they sure are attacked and accused of being cowards more than any other race or ethnicity. Funny how that works.

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        #4
        If you define this in terms of success or failure as far as Adonis is concerned, it's a success. He got what he wanted: stay away from Kovalev as far away as possible and put his whole career in the hands of brother Haymon. I recall Stevenson saying, "I'll just let Al Haymon pick fights for me."

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          #5
          This sh^t ain't THAT simple. HBO was/is the Floyd of boxing to come up with an analogy people can grasp a lil better. Still are now even if its a more arguable position cuz Showtime f#cks up more than Jon Jones when they start making a nice lil run towards the goal line & PBC hasn't gotten off the ground enough to take over the #1 spot consistently enough.

          So basically HBO can do what they wanna do, how they wanna do it, just like Floyd. And the truth is no one gave THAT much of a f#ck about this fight when HBO had both of the under contract or they woulda matched the offer. I mean you can only use leverage if you have leverage is the thing I don't think Stevenson grasps. People only cared about 175 cuz HBO told them to care about it. That means they also only cared about Stevenson vs Kovalev cuz HBO told them to. I'm simplifying this, but I believe this to be more or less correct. Then HBO told them to care about Ward vs Kovalev. And they do & Stevenson is no where to be found to most people that cared about Kovalev vs Stevenson 2 or whatever years ago now. Now they got a bunch of other 175lbers on the way up one of which is a solid bet to dethrone Ward &/or Kovalev in the near future to make some other fight that people care about cuz HBO makes them care about.

          People underrate the things HBO does well to focus on the things they don't do well. HBO controls the narrative of fights better then anyone in boxing today on the scale they're at. That's an underestimated talent + skill that has made HBO what it is. If HBO was just "showing fights" like I'd argue Showtime & PBC do better then HBO most of the time & in particular lately then HBO wouldn't be HBO & the industry standard of what boxing should look like to appeal to the most fans possible.
          Last edited by Eff Pandas; 06-04-2017, 02:41 PM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BreWall View Post
            If you define this in terms of success or failure as far as Adonis is concerned, it's a success. He got what he wanted: stay away from Kovalev as far away as possible and put his whole career in the hands of brother Haymon. I recall Stevenson saying, "I'll just let Al Haymon pick fights for me."
            You miss the point... Kovalev actually stayed away from Stevenson in what is to this date the closest we've been for that fight to happen... No rocket science needed here... It's all written and acknowledged by both parties...

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              #7
              Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
              This sh^t ain't THAT simple. HBO was/is the Floyd of boxing to come up with an analogy people can grasp a lil better. Still are now even if its a more arguable position cuz Showtime f#cks up more than Jon Jones when they start making a nice lil run towards the goal line & PBC hasn't gotten off the ground enough to take over the #1 spot consistently enough.

              So basically HBO can do what they wanna do, how they wanna do it, just like Floyd. And the truth is no one gave THAT much of a f#ck about this fight when HBO had both of the under contract or they woulda matched the offer. I mean you can only use leverage if you have leverage is the thing I don't think Stevenson grasps. People only cared about 175 cuz HBO told them to care about it. That means they also only cared about Stevenson vs Kovalev cuz HBO told them to. I'm simplifying this, but I believe this to be more or less correct. Then HBO told them to care about Ward vs Kovalev. And they do & Stevenson is no where to be found to most people that cared about Kovalev vs Stevenson 2 or whatever years ago now. Now they got a bunch of other 175lbers on the way up one of which is a solid bet to dethrone Ward &/or Kovalev in the near future to make some other fight that people care about cuz HBO makes them care about.

              People underrate the things HBO does well to focus on the things they don't do well. HBO controls the narrative of fights better then anyone in boxing today on the scale they're at. That's an underestimated talent + skill that has made HBO what it is. If HBO was just "showing fights" like I'd argue Showtime & PBC do better then HBO most of the time & in particular lately then HBO wouldn't be HBO & the industry standard of what boxing should look like to appeal to the most fans possible.
              They wasn't controlling the narrative very well when Hauser was writing about them. Then they hired him.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
                Do writers get together and decide to start saying the same thing? I remember when the Kovalev vs. Stevenson fight fell apart when they were both on HBO. I also remember HBO being blamed for the fight falling apart, and rightfully so.








                The tiny amount of money Dan is talking about is $100,000. Yvon Michel explained this when he released the emails between HBO and himself

                " -

                //krikya360.com/stevenson....WjiqrlfS.dpuf





                Another lie that's often repeated is Stevenson ran to Haymon to protect him. The actual fact is when Stevenson wasn't happy with the money offered Haymon wasn't even his manager. Stevenson had been operating without a manager



                //krikya360.com/stevenson....WjiqrlfS.dpuf

                So after Stevenson went to Showtime there was still an opportunity to make the fight happen. Duva went to the WBC and petitioned them to make Kovalev vs. Pascal I an eliminator for Stevenson's WBC title. And the WBC complied and also agreed upon a 50/50 split for a purse bid. The challenger was to get 50/50 against the challenger in a purse bid. And Duva pulled out of the purse bid!



                //krikya360.com/wbc-prez-....yao1w54H.dpuf

                Main Events admitted Kovalev didn't have a deal with HBO at the time of the purse bid. There was no reason whatsoever for them to pull out of the purse bid. Duva wasn't expecting Michel to ask for the immediate purse bid. With their history of working together he did the correct thing. An Main Events never wins purse bids.




                Even after all that there was still talks of them fighting and Showtime offered a $4mil license fee to get the fight done



                How does the narrative in boxing change? Do the writers agree to change it when they get together for the BWAA awards? How can Dan Rafael go from saying Mayweather-Pac was a good fight on fight night



                To now saying the fight was bad and killed the sport?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra View Post
                  They wasn't controlling the narrative very well when Hauser was writing about them. Then they hired him.
                  What was bad about that? He got paid, HBO got him to shut up. Win win. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Haymon paid him off to cuz he's been super silent on PBC, Haymon & Floyd as of late now that I think about it.

                  That guy is a piece of sh^t & is low down, but that's a solid hustle if you can look yourself in the mirror after being that type of person.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
                    What was bad about that? He got paid, HBO got him to shut up. Win win. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Haymon paid him off to cuz he's been super silent on PBC, Haymon & Floyd as of late now that I think about it.

                    That guy is a piece of sh^t & is low down, but that's a solid hustle if you can look yourself in the mirror after being that type of person.
                    A smart move by HBO. But should make fans skeptical about boxing writers in general. You'd never see something like that happen in the four major sports. So I'm thinking what other writers are in the take but aren't disclosing it. Boxing writers don't make a lot of money and most have other jobs. It's an expensive sport to follow and cover.

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