Kov/SOG = success! GGG/Lemieux = flop!

[Robbie Barrett]

No **** he isn't a big draw! That's about where your trolling brain stops isn't it?

Let's take it a step further for you to understand. Ok?
First you need to know what relative means, because they are from different parts of the world, we're not comparing apples with apples.
Relative: Considered in relation or in proportion to something else.

In order to have a fan base, you need people or the population supporting you.

North America population - 300 mil
Mexico population - 120 mil
Philippines population - 100 mil
Kazakstan population - 20 mil

Going from these figures, we could times Golovkins ppv draw ×6 to get the apparent comparison if he were Mexican (still not accurate as boxing in mexico, states and philippines is bigger part of culture than kazakstan, who prefer playing a game with a goats carcass called kokpar).

I think it's a great effort on GG's part that he is selling out arenas after only 5 yrs, whilst a lot of those born and bred in the states struggle to do so.

C'mon Isaac, say something constructive about GG, i dare you!

All well and good. Still doesn't make him the draw Lil Gina's are claiming. I don't have a problem with what Golovkin has done, the problem is people claiming he's something he's not.

[Chollo Vista]

Mayweather & Pacquiao were averaging 1mil per fight, Canelo averages 300k per fight. Not the same at all, but you know that of course.

Going by that logic of GGG being a draw, GGG vs Jacobs should do at least 300-600k right?

If you're going to say gg can make up 700k for Canelo than GG should at least do 300k and above by himself, right?

[satiev1]

Comparing two names to only one guy carrying the ppv facing an unknown canadian and still similar numbers. Face palm yourself.

[OnePunch]

Yeah without the inflated purses the PPV would have been alright on the financial side.

The other thing to note is the Kovalev Ward PPV was for the good of the sport, one of the best matches that could have been made. No one was really bragging about either fighter's star potential, we just hoped it did well so it could at least prove that fans will pony up if the best fight the best.

The Golovkin Lemieux PPV was all about GGG's star potential, it wasn't a great matchup. It was supposed to prove he could go some way to filling the void left by Pacs diminishing numbers. I didn't think it would do too bad cause I thought the casuals would eat up the whole "2 big punching champs going at it" but they didn't. Remember Barchams final meltdown over the numbers?? ..... remember onepunch saying he didn't trust the 150k originally reported by Floydhype while insisting on waiting for the eventual 97k reported by Rick "you've been Glased" Glaser. I think the Golovkin fans were more invested and boastful about PPV numbers hence the ridicule.

That's how I see it, although in hindsight 150k against Lemieux isn't so bad in what myself and many perceived as a blatant mismatch. If he can do 150k against Jacobs that would be good in my opinion.

yeah, I was definitely wrong on that. I went in to that fight predicting 200-225k, thinking that pretty much ANYTHING that ran on HBO PPV would do at least 200k buys.

That model doesnt work anymore......

[NaijaD]

yeah, I was definitely wrong on that. I went in to that fight predicting 200-225k, thinking that pretty much ANYTHING that ran on HBO PPV would do at least 200k buys.

That model doesnt work anymore......

Loool no shame in it man, I thought the Ward vs Kovalev PPV would do 250-300k so I was even further off than you but I was smart enough not to look for a lifeline from good ol' Rick. The PPV model needs to change, they need to drop the prices to at least $50 for a start.

[OnePunch]

Loool no shame in it man, I thought the Ward vs Kovalev PPV would do 250-300k so I was even further off than you but I was smart enough not to look for a lifeline from good ol' Rick. The PPV model needs to change, they need to drop the prices to at least $50 for a start.

I wish that ALL of these PPVs were doing better. It would be better for the sport overall......

[Rock&Roll]

This is true. The Canelo/Smith weigh in might as well been held in Mexico City with the number of Mexicans in the audience. Of course Canelo has a huge fan base. Although some of them are leaving the fold and holding him accountable for ducking a Golovkin fight. Well its actually not Canelo ducking, its Golden Boy ducking. I think Canelo wants the fight. Oscar offering a flat rate of 10M is a joke and proof they're ducking. Mayweather offered a flat rate of 40M to Manny who intelligently turned it down. He eventually made over 100M by pushing for a percentage. So....GGG will be a big part of the draw if the fight ever takes place. He deserves a percentage.

I agree (takes 2 to tango), from what i've read and heard, it's Oscar who didn't want the lara fight and now he's in charge, doesn't want the GG fight. It's still Conela who has the final word though so he can't avoid all blame.
I think it's classic when people on NSB try to blame team GG when it comes to GG-Conela.
Golovkin wanted his chance to fight for the title and was patient to let cotto pay to avoid him. They then let Conela 'grow' into 160 by taking on Kahn (got shafted there, bit rude on golden boys part). Finally, no more crap, it's their turn, will to take 25% or whatever the going rate is.
Once Conela gives GG his belt (and shamefully embarrasses himself), they have far fewer bargaining chips. GG has all he wanted - the belt! A payday from Conela is a bonus.
I will guarantee Conela fights and takes Saunders belt, in order to increase his bargaining chips once again.
Golden boy have ****ed team GG around a lot! Now there is talk of Conela staying at 154! Glad Tom loeffler is a p*ssy and still talks to them. I'd tell 'em to get ****ed.

[Scipio2009]

wow, so a top level matchup between an undefeated champion and an undefeated gold medal winner, a matchup that has been in the works for over a year, did marginally better than a matchup between an undefeated Kazakh and a canadian that 95% of fans never heard of?

Im stunned..............

Likely $5m is marginally better? And, let's stop it with this "undefeated Kazakh" bit, as if that's actually relevant; Golovkin's PPV debut was prefaced with 9 HBO World Championship Boxng fight cards, with HBO marvelling at Golovkin as being this utter human wrecking machine for 8 of the broadcasts.

Golovkin-Lemieux was, in essence, "the Golovkin show", and the money, after the commitment of 9 HBO fight dates, didn't really show up.

Unless I've misheard things, Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev are supposedly both non-draws, while Golovkin has the standing to balk at a $10m+ offer from Saul Alvarez, yet Kovalev and Ward, together, delivered a fight that likely did double the business that Golovkin-Lemieux actually ended up doing.

[Rock&Roll]

All well and good. Still doesn't make him the draw Lil Gina's are claiming. I don't have a problem with what Golovkin has done, the problem is people claiming he's something he's not.

He's not a big draw, hence the reason he can't get big fights - and according to Conela, he hasn't beaten anyone and doesn't deserve a shot at him. Thus the cycle of blame and finger pointing continues.
LUCKILY, although GG's resume is lacking a big name, he has fought enough solid, top ten ranked fighters to tell he is the goods. This is why the majority of ppl have him top 10 p4p, without beating a single elite fighter.

You and I both know Isaac, just because your the most popular boxer, it doesn't make you the best boxer!

[Scipio2009]

Is that including the Canadian PPV?

No, that is from taking simply what Loeffler said the event did and weighing that against the PPV price; I've yet to see anything about Canadian PPV for Golovkin-Lemieux anywhere, and BoxRec doesn't even acknowledge that the fight was on PPV in Quebec/Canada (as BoxRec did show for both Kovalev-Pascal fights.

If you have information on the possible international TV money, I'd appreciate you sharing it.