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    #21
    Originally posted by anthonydavid11 View Post
    And the guy conducts a poll to see who the fans want to see him fight. They pick Khan. He fights Maidana. What's up with that?
    It made sense to do Maidana at the time. Khan won one poll, Maidana won another.

    Maidana was the guy with momentum + current champion. Quite easy to see why he chose him.

    Factor in the people who voted for Maidana were American fans - the people actually paying to see it. The people voting for Khan were British or Pakistani / indian i.e. the people not paying to see the fight.

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      #22
      Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
      Of course they are debatable. But I mean, what you're saying about Floyd's resume can be said about anyone. Floyd's lesser opponents like some of the guys you mentioned i.e. Berto, Guerrero, Ortiz, Gatti, Judah etc etc would be top wins on most others' opponents. Those guys are world champions, some of them multiple world champions.

      Now, we can talk about someone like Barrera or Morales or Hopkins - Have you looked through their "lesser" wins? They are absolutely 100% complete unknowns. They beat fighters with double digit losses in some cases and guys who weren't even ranked when they were 25-30 fights in.

      We can talk about cherry-picking all we want, and I'm not one to disagree with the fact that Mayweather has cherry-picked a good few opponents in his career. He even admits it himself, he just calls it "smart business". However, fighting Berto in what's considered a "cherry pick" is still 100 billion times better than fighting Carlos Unknowno in what isn't considered a cherrypick.

      Hopkins is a great fighter, definitely. But through his whole prime he beat a couple of good fighters and only 1-2 great ones (1 if we're honest). Mayweather completely craps all over that, those are just facts.

      Mayweather has fought champion after champion. When is the last time he didn't fight a champion (past or present)? Do you even remember? I don't really off the top of my head.

      I'm not a Mayweather fan at all, I fell asleep during a few of his fights, but there's no denying that when watching him you're watching greatness in the ring. All time greatness. The reason why people say his resume is not as good or whatever they like to say, is because of one of two things:

      1) they hate him
      2) they have such ridiculously high expectation for him incomparable to any other fight in history

      Sometimes both are true, but I think #2 point is very telling whenever someone discusses Mayweather.

      I mean, for example, you just said Miguel Cotto wasn't anything special. I'm thinking, honestly, what world are you living in?

      Anyone would love to have a great fighter like Cotto on their resume. And that just shows you what level of expectation you have for Mayweather compared to the expectations we have for a guy, even like Hopkins. It's totally out of proportion.
      Berto had lost what 3 out of his last 4 or two out of three? That fight was a joke. And if that one didn't put you to sleep, I don't know what will.

      Cotto, I'm sorry. His biggest win is a broken down Martinez and a one-eyed Margarito. Who else did he beat? Judah? Yeah. Malignaggi? Come on.

      And when you're saying I'm holding him to a high standard, there are people on here who honestly believe he's the best of all time. Am I NOT to hold a guy such as this to a high standard? Would I not hold Robinson, Duran, Ali to high standards? Oh, the highest and they meet them. Mayweather doesn't for me.

      Look, you have Joe Frazier as your avatar and you've followed the sport for a long time. You know how much it has changed. These guys are not put through the ringer like the fighters of old. Frazier and Ali? Please! Those guys were willing to die inside the ring as evidenced by the Thrilla in Manila. Hell, Joe was more so even than Ali and look what Ali was willing to give-everything. I can't respect a guy who fancies himself a business man over being a fighter over guys like that who gave everything. I just can't do it, man.

      And of course, the number one question for me is Who did Mayweather fight who was in his prime at the time?

      Duran fought a young Leonard and a young, possibly prime Hearns and Hagler. He beat Leonard and gave Hagler all he could handle. He got blitzed by Hearns but he sure came back like it was nothing. Look at Robinson. He and LaMotta went to ****ing war SIX TIMES and didn't even blink. Morales and Barrera fought each other when both were young and dangerous. Then they did it twice more! Mayweather never had a trilogy. Marciano was great and I was a fan but hell, he never had to come back from a loss. Foreman did, though and then he came back ten years after retiring to eventually win a title at 45. Now these guys went through it, man. Mayweather never did- not like them. So, held to their standard, no. He doesn't get far with me. And of course, its just my opinion.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Mike D View Post
        Sutherland fought both Rainford and Wofford



        It's close but I give Sutherland's resume the edge

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          #24
          And the older fighters went 15 rounds, not 12, Robinson fought if I remember 20 times in one year, if floyd had to fight that many times in one year, he'd be a wreck, he struggled with one a year

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            #25
            Originally posted by anthonydavid11 View Post
            Berto had lost what 3 out of his last 4 or two out of three? That fight was a joke. And if that one didn't put you to sleep, I don't know what will.

            Cotto, I'm sorry. His biggest win is a broken down Martinez and a one-eyed Margarito. Who else did he beat? Judah? Yeah. Malignaggi? Come on.

            And when you're saying I'm holding him to a high standard, there are people on here who honestly believe he's the best of all time. Am I NOT to hold a guy such as this to a high standard? Would I not hold Robinson, Duran, Ali to high standards? Oh, the highest and they meet them. Mayweather doesn't for me.

            Look, you have Joe Frazier as your avatar and you've followed the sport for a long time. You know how much it has changed. These guys are not put through the ringer like the fighters of old. Frazier and Ali? Please! Those guys were willing to die inside the ring as evidenced by the Thrilla in Manila. Hell, Joe was more so even than Ali and look what Ali was willing to give-everything. I can't respect a guy who fancies himself a business man over being a fighter over guys like that who gave everything. I just can't do it, man.

            And of course, the number one question for me is Who did Mayweather fight who was in his prime at the time?

            Duran fought a young Leonard and a young, possibly prime Hearns and Hagler. He beat Leonard and gave Hagler all he could handle. He got blitzed by Hearns but he sure came back like it was nothing. Look at Robinson. He and LaMotta went to ****ing war SIX TIMES and didn't even blink. Morales and Barrera fought each other when both were young and dangerous. Then they did it twice more! Mayweather never had a trilogy. Marciano was great and I was a fan but hell, he never had to come back from a loss. Foreman did, though and then he came back ten years after retiring to eventually win a title at 45. Now these guys went through it, man. Mayweather never did- not like them. So, held to their standard, no. He doesn't get far with me. And of course, its just my opinion.
            I didn't really care about Floyd by that time. Don't even think I watched the fight live. Neither did I watch the Pacquiao fight live (not by choice).

            It might have been a joke, but it was the last fight of his career. Plenty of the guys you mentioned have fought worse opposition in the prime of their careers let alone at the very end of it. Ali fought some absolutely ATROCIOUS guys smack in the middle of his reign - way worse than Berto. And I'm known for having an Ali tattoo on this site.

            I agree that fighters aren't put through the same, but the reality is that Mayweather wasn't born in that or that era. He can only be the best of his era, which he was. and I don't know many other fighters from other eras who were more dominant in their era than he was in his. And he did fight absolutely everyone people wanted him to fight with the exception of one or two guys. The same can be said for nearly everyone.

            I agree with what you're saying about Duran and Robinson. But Mayweather is not in that league anyway, so it's pointless to discuss it. Most people with real knowledge of the sport would have guys like Duran and SRR solidly above Mayweather.

            Mayweather absolutely craps all over Marciano in every aspect of resumes. Same with Foreman. At the end of the day, you can't blame a guy for not losing.

            You are free to think how you please of course, but I just think it's fair to hold different fighters to the same standards. And a lot of the guys that were mentioned fought way way worse opposition than Mayweather could ever dream of.

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              #26
              Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
              I didn't really care about Floyd by that time. Don't even think I watched the fight live. Neither did I watch the Pacquiao fight live (not by choice).

              It might have been a joke, but it was the last fight of his career. Plenty of the guys you mentioned have fought worse opposition in the prime of their careers let alone at the very end of it. Ali fought some absolutely ATROCIOUS guys smack in the middle of his reign - way worse than Berto. And I'm known for having an Ali tattoo on this site.

              I agree that fighters aren't put through the same, but the reality is that Mayweather wasn't born in that or that era. He can only be the best of his era, which he was. and I don't know many other fighters from other eras who were more dominant in their era than he was in his. And he did fight absolutely everyone people wanted him to fight with the exception of one or two guys. The same can be said for nearly everyone.

              I agree with what you're saying about Duran and Robinson. But Mayweather is not in that league anyway, so it's pointless to discuss it. Most people with real knowledge of the sport would have guys like Duran and SRR solidly above Mayweather.

              Mayweather absolutely craps all over Marciano in every aspect of resumes. Same with Foreman. At the end of the day, you can't blame a guy for not losing.

              You are free to think how you please of course, but I just think it's fair to hold different fighters to the same standards. And a lot of the guys that were mentioned fought way way worse opposition than Mayweather could ever dream of.
              Well to be fair to some of those fighters who fought absolute crap, a lot of them had a lot more fights than he did. They can't find 100 great opponents in any era. And fighting weak guys sometimes keeps you sharp. They didn't go the once or twice a year route as often as he did.

              And Foreman? I don't know about that. Big George fought a prime Frazier and destroyed him. He came back and stood in with a prime Holyfield for twelve and took out a prime Moorer. He faced down a lot of prime opponents. Marciano fought guys who were past it for sure. Never took on a prime great. I agree on that one. The Rock was a hell of a lot more entertaining, though.

              I don't blame anybody for not losing. But he never came back from a loss. How many other greats came back from a loss? ALL of them, outside of Marciano, Lopez and Calzaghe. Two of those were very modern fighters of course. But I think that does say a lot about a fighter who can bounce back. Some guys really never do bounce back after a loss and most of them aren't considered great either. This is one reason I don't hold Hamed in higher regard. He gets beat once and bows out? Not respectable at all. Some say he past it and that's fine but he wasn't old and a lot of guys came back from much more crushing defeats. If he was so great, he could have came back for more wins and I believe he would have gotten more. But whatever. He didn't.

              Either way, though, I think you're right when you say that he did the best of his era. My big knock on that is that this ain't much of an era compared with eras of the past. I think we can agree there. If more guys talked strictly about this era, it would be a lot easier to digest some of the things said on here. Best of the last fifteen years? Definitely the most successful. There can be no doubt. But all time? Some of these Trinidad is the GOAT and Canelo is the GOAT or Mayweather is the GOAT. Atrocious. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and my opinion is that there have been too many great fighters from the past who had to A) Go 15 rounds, B) Fight more often for far less money and C) Had to fight a long time to get a shot at ONE title in EIGHT weight classes. I blame the sport for softening things up. These guys nowadays will never compare, based solely on those three things. It's not the boxers' fault either, which is even sadder. They couldn't be greater if they wanted to and could be.

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                #27
                Overall, his resume is stellar, albeit missing that one true great that'd put him right up there in contention as among the very, very best to ever do it.

                Frankly, I think he'd deserving of a top ten for me, but his resume just lacks that truly great opponent that puts so many of the greatest up in the top ten. When you prove it 100%, in the ring, by fighting another true legend in his prime, then it leaves no doubt.

                That's his one single missing link. Everything else is there for him to be considered as among the true greats, the Robinson's, Duran's, Ali's etc.

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                  #28
                  The Majority of you will just mention people you've never seen fight against opponents you know very little about. It should be compulsory to post your age alongside your mentions in this post to show just how full of **** you are.

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                    #29
                    Not sure what Floyd-Pac have to theyr resume,Pacman have better resume period,Floyd maybe better fighter but one again,Floyd is much bigger fighter than Pacquiao,For me Erik morales and MAB on Pacquiao resume is better than hole Floyds resume beside Pac win ofc,but one again Erik and Marco are Pacman size,Floyds is much bigger.The thing is you can have better resume and be worse fighter.I wouldnt say Pacman is worse then Floyd cuse in this match up size was big factor,also manny boxed very well in some moment i was suprised how he countered floyd and ducked his punches.

                    Great to see some Love for Old Mungus from you guys,Archie was Amazing fighter.

                    I would say RJJ,Hopkins,ODLH,Erik Morales,Archie,Pacman,SRR,SRL,Duran,Armstrong and Muhhamd Ali have better resumes.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by nubianpiye View Post
                      The Majority of you will just mention people you've never seen fight against opponents you know very little about. It should be compulsory to post your age alongside your mentions in this post to show just how full of **** you are.
                      Im 19 but i watched many fighters Fighters Fights on Classic channels or youtube,The fact that i didnt seen them live dont mean IDK anything about them,come on man dont insult ppl cuse of theyr age.

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