Al Haymon plummet $434 million in a single year?

[North Star]

In order to do this (right now) PBC would basically have to go heads up with all these other promoters and hope their guys come out on top. With the UFC it was a lil different and still is, we know/knew UFC fighters were better than Strikeforces and Bellators and the few that were better eventually jumped ship because their company was cornered. If PBC went heads up with Top Rank right now theyd stand a good chance of losing, if they wait it out, they might do the same thing UFC did to strikeforce and take the last of the talent when cornered.

I thought they were going to do the PBC belts thing, and have all their current champs vacate their titles, and fight in a tournament to crown a PBC champ. That would have really turned the industry upside down. But here we are, still dancing along with the sanctioning bodies.

[OnePunch]

PBC and Haymon Boxing are, in essence, one and of the same (have no idea what the actual contract looks like, but I doubt that W&R would risk their money without having some tie-in with Haymon.

Talent for talent, Haymon has access to more sheer talent than any other promotional outfit/broadcaster (with Haymon's relationship with Eddie Hearn, and a seemingly budding relationship between Lou DiBella and Roc Nation, the Haymon orbit seem to always get bigger).

PBC is the television platform for Haymon Boxing and other Haymon-affiliated promoters/fighters; do you earnestly believe that Haymon would, or could, walk away from the PBC effort with all of the talent?

Haymon has roughly 200+ fighters under contract. There are over 10,000 active pro fighters just on Boxrec.com alone, and thats just the ones that have fought in the past 12 months. His talent pool is a drop in the bucket......

[buddyguns]

The alphabet organisations running things wouldn't work either.
Just look at the corruption now. If you gave these ****ers that much power all that would happen Is they would ask for bigger bribes/sanctiong fees etc.

We have multiple world champions per weight class.
Under 1 umbrella how would that work?? Would we have 1 champ per
weight?? Would the fighters agree to these changes?? would the promoters/managers??

The rankings system would have to be overhauled....

And to implement 1 umbrella in let's say America would have global ramifications. The way WORLD boxing is organised wold have to change.

And how will the governing body deal with robbery/home cookin??





I understand what your sayin and I agree we aren't gettin the fights we want. But If there was just 1 governing body controlling evrything how would that stop all the ducking??


I honestly think the only thing that could even remotely help boxing in terms of matchmaking is boxing becoming EXTREMELY unpopular worldwide for a while.
Then we'd start seeing more stacked cards and more guys willing to fight each other cos good money fights and tv exposure would become scarce.

I believe that we're in an age where we can create a proper equation to fully utilize computer generated rankings. One that all of the fight fans throughout the world can agree on. Beyond that, rules need to be implemented and enforced. All of the major sanctioning bodies have by-laws and rules for days. Rules are only valid if enforced (Iron Fist). Problem is, they're competing with other crooked sanctioning bodies for fees. Where one will bend the rules to make a title fight happen in the name of sanctioning fees, the others most do so.

Under one umbrella, the sole sanctioning body would be held accountable. As for promoters and managers, I couldn't care less. Promoters should be working for the sanctioning body to schedule fights within their rules and rankings.

I know most of this is a pipe dream, but something needs to be done to give fight fans more than ten evenly matched great fights in a year. This is a sport with over 20,000 licensed athletes at all times. To say that the boxing audience is only presented with ten or less top match-ups in a year, is ridiculous.

[The Gambler1981]

Are you a boxing fan or a fan of promoters?

Who are you and why are you talking to me?

[Sweet Jones]

PBC is a television property; on a different scale but no different than Game of Thrones.

Haymon's responsibility to his fighters is to advise the right fight and maximize the value of said fight, and Haymon's responsibility to W&R is to maximize the value of the PBC property to a prospective broadcaster (how does boxing draw in the 18-54 demo, noting the strength on FS1 of Toe-to-Toe Tuesday, and putting on fights/fight cards that capture the attention of the sports audience [throughout the entire project, the audiences for the broadcasts generally do a good job of growing as the show was still on]).

W&R seem to trust Haymon's vision, they see what the value of sports properties have done (with live sports being the only thing that you can't really DVR, bringing out advertisers if the desired audience is there), and they saw the UFC get $700m for 7 years of programming (while still keeping their 12 biggest fight cards for themselves on PPV).

W&R is playing a long game; we still need to see what that first content deal looks like, but the PBC sports property could end up being worth $1b rather quickly if things prove out.

I just don't understand why more folks on this site don't seem to (or want to) get this.

Well said.

[Scipio2009]

Haymon has roughly 200+ fighters under contract. There are over 10,000 active pro fighters just on Boxrec.com alone, and thats just the ones that have fought in the past 12 months. His talent pool is a drop in the bucket......

Haymon has control of/relationships with folks who control the key players at basically every weight class.

Wilder and Joshua at heavyweight, Gassiev/Bellew/Huck/Shumenov/Glowacki at cruiserweight, Stevenson/Beterbiev/Alvarez/Smith Jr (and possibly Andre Ward in the near future) at light heavyweight, Jack/Degale/Callum Smith/Groves/Dirrell brothers/Bute at super middleweight, Jacobs/Lee/Sulecki/Quillin at middleweight [a softer division for Haymon], 11 of the top 15 fighters at 154, 6 of the top 10 fighters at 147, Broner/Burns/Lipinets/Barthelemy at 140 {softer division}, Mikey Garcia/Dejan Zlaticanin/ Easter Jr/Crolla/Luke Campbell at 135, Pedraza at 130, control of 3 of the 4 belts at featherweight, etc.

Beyond that, you also can't forget the sheer number of prospects that Haymon has coming along, at different paces.

You pull all of the Haymon/Haymon-affiliated fighters from the BoxRec rankings, and the available talent level goes to **** for every weight class beyond heavyweight, cruiserweight, junior welterweight, and the weights below 118 (where Haymon doesn't really have any fighters)

[SterlingStained]

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uncle al dindu nuffin....

[Hype job]

Who are you and why are you talking to me?

I'm hype job, nice to meet you.

[MDPopescu]

Alleged investments into PBC’s Al Haymon plummet $434 million in one year ()

— Bloody Elbow (@BloodyElbow)

is a long ass article, give it a look

Old news:

[Tom Cruise]

the UFC has several competitors, and would flop if it started to put on matches like the ones you see on HBO and showtime, or even on PPV. pride was actually a bigger organization worldwide for a period of time, and early on before teh sport had solidified they competed for market share [and even for talent] against a sport / org called k-1.


UFC fighters get long term contracts, insurance, bonuses when they win, built in marketing and sponsorship opportunities, the works. that is not how boxing works. boxing is a top heavy sport with no middle class, where competing managers and promotors try and earn money individually.

what you're asking for [i really f#cking hope] is a unifying governmental body, not a single promotor by which all boxing is controlled. if not, d you really want the WBA and the WBC to run boxing? corrupt, private corporations? or top rank or al haymon, without any competition? that's literally what you're asking for. there would be no accountability.



in reality you have a very similar system in boxing to the one you described, at least in america, that takes the form of promotional ties to neworks. that's why tim bradley fought manny pacquiao three times, for example, in spite of the fact that none of the fights were even.

Tim Bradley fighting Pac 3 times is symptom of promoters dividing the market and signing their fighters to different networks. It led to Pac having a limited number of fighters to choose from and he ended up fighting Bradley. Nothing to do with a monopoly. The opposite actually.

The key thing that an UFC type org could do for boxing is give it structure, Make rankings that make sense. Have a singular title. This makes the sport far more appealing to fans, and it makes it easier to attract new fans.

It would also mean that the company would have a vested interest in marketing the sport as a whole, rather than marketing individual fighters or fights all the time. Literally no one cares about boxing's wellbieng right now because no one needs too. As long as they can keep filling their pockets with short term profits they dgaf if boxings popularity as whole is collapsing beneath them.

Also you talk about accountability, where is the accountability now? BJ Flores was ranked no where near the top 15 when Bellew won his title recently, then out of no where he gets bumped up by the WBC to provide Bellew with soft touch first defence. Where is the accountability in the current 'system'? It's chaos.

A single org/company would have a lot more eyes on it, a lot more people judging its rankings, a lot more people looking at who gets bumped to mandatory position. No doubt there will still be corruption, but it would be more difficult to get away with, and they would have a brand to protect.