GOLOVKIN FIRED UP: "I will RETIRE UNDEFEATED!!! ABSOLUTELY!!"

[Golden Boi 360]

when it's all said and done you don't get credit for fights that never happened. you don't get credit for fighters not fighting you.

which is pretty sad cause GGG might retired with lack luster resume

[just the facts]

Sure it is, Mayweather did it his whole career he fought boring and couldn't stop anyone.

I see where this fits your agenda but even a dolt like you can easily see that Floyd has at least 15 scalps on his belt that are better than anyone g string has fought so far.

Kicking 35 in the arse and not one defining fight yet and no concrete plan to fight one.

[IMDAZED]

Resume alone typically is not how p4p lists are made, otherwise Carl Froch would have been #1-#2 in the sport. Having a good resume is great, obviously but right now there are a bunch of factors, for some reason you glanced over all my points about the current state of boxing in 2016. There aren't a ton of proven skillful fighters right now. You have Gonzalez, Ward, Crawford somewhat, outside of that there's a lot of talent but no huge wins recently.

Actually, I think resume is the primary factor in rating fighters. When we argue who should be greater between two cats, it's all about who they beat and when (and who they lost to). And I don't know what you mean by Carl Froch would have been #1 or #2. Almost all of the fighters rated above him had a better resume.

Regarding 2016, there are many proven skillful fighters who also have a better resume than Gennady Golovkin. Even the "ducker" Saul Alvarez has a better resume than Golovkin. Ward. Gonzalez. Crawford. Garcia. Frampton. Kovalev. Fury. Bradley. Cotto. Rigo. GGG is nice with his hands but his opposition is a major demerit. At least we agree he isn't top 5.

[vitalisfist]

not happening

[Cutthroat]

160 may be the weakest division of all time, very possible he goes undefeated considering how he ducks quality fighters.

We saw what happened when Murray moved to 168, demolished by a shot Abraham AND Groves

We saw what happened when Geale moved to 157, demolished by a past prime Cotto

We've seen Lemieux dropped and walked through by a shot Alcine

We even saw what happened to N'dam when he tried Olympic boxing

It's just embarrassing at this point.

[Vasyl’s dad]

That's how you become TBE though.

Exactly. floyd named himself tbe for beating on 2 fight lightweights at welterweight, jr welters at welterweight, and draining jr middleweights.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Sure it is, Mayweather did it his whole career he fought boring and couldn't stop anyone.

I'd tell you to ask Gatti, N'Dou, Hatton and Corrales about Floyd's inability to stop them...too bad two of them are dead.

Exactly. floyd named himself tbe for beating on 2 fight lightweights at welterweight, jr welters at welterweight, and draining jr middleweights.

Point is Floyd beat #1 contenders, champions and true threats. G has done none of the sort.

G's retirement match will end as thus:


IN the words of Bob Arum:

[muslimer12]

The bottom line is that he doesn't deserve to be ranked that high, whether they are "ducking" him or not. I can't rate skills until I see it against real opposition. Lord knows, a lot of people look good against nondescript fighters.

p4p rankings are subjective....

[ИATAS]

Actually, I think resume is the primary factor in rating fighters. When we argue who should be greater between two cats, it's all about who they beat and when (and who they lost to).

That sounds like discussing ATGs. Current p4p is typically more skill based vs resume, that's why we see guys like Lomachenko, Inoue, Rigondeaux and Golovkin and even Crawford currently ranked. Rigondeaux has one great win over Donaire. Crawford has a few solid wins, Inoue and Loma have 10 fights or less, Golovkin few solid wins.

And I don't know what you mean by Carl Froch would have been #1 or #2. Almost all of the fighters rated above him had a better resume.

Not true. Froch was only ranked in the top ten very briefly in his career despite having one of the better resumes. Here's an example, in 2012 Broner, Guerrero, Donaire and Sergio Martinez were all top ten. Froch wasn't. We can definitely agree Froch had a better resume than Broner and Guerrero, and some would argue his resume was better than Donaires and Martinez as well. The following year in 2013 Canelo was top ten despite only beating Austin Trout, Froch definitely had a better resume than that.

Regarding 2016, there are many proven skillful fighters who also have a better resume than Gennady Golovkin. Even the "ducker" Saul Alvarez has a better resume than Golovkin. Ward. Gonzalez. Crawford. Garcia. Frampton. Kovalev. Fury. Bradley. Cotto. Rigo. GGG is nice with his hands but his opposition is a major demerit. At least we agree he isn't top 5.

And some of those guys you mention are legit ahead of Golovkin in the rankings and are most certainly top ten fighters, others we can simply ask who is the better fighter (which is what p4p lists are). Canelo is a great example - by far he has the better resume however almost everyone believes Golovkin is the better fighter of the two and if they fight today, Golovkin beats him. Cotto and Bradley are examples of what I mentioned earlier - guys on the decline and on their way out the sport, they just aren't as good as they used to be which is why they have dropped off recent p4p lists.

We agree Golovkin is ranked too high, top 5 is giving him a bit too much credit, but top ten I absolutely believe he belongs there at the moment.

I respect your opinion though, when we talk about non-Hopkins topics things go smoothly haha

[mathed]

Yea sure, if he keeps fighting ww's and the willie monroes of the world

Brand......39 yr old smw Brand.