Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin

[LacedUp]

Do you see any contradictions in your posts?

Isn't that guy Fury4dawin?

[Jewish-Reptile]

From what I have seen of Martin (and it isn't much) he's a pretty basic, but good southpaw. can punch with both hands and moves generally OK. I'm not sure I'd say he's a better win than Whyte. I'm not sure who would win in that fight, I feel they are on the same level.

same with Andy Ruiz, Joseph Parker and guys like that. Dominic Breazale also.

Joshua is one level above that imo because he does have a win over a pretty well ranked undefeated prospect.

You believe Parker is the same level as Breazeale ? I'm not sure why that is maybe you're going by quality of opposition he has faced to date but most of who he has fought has been a better quality of opponent than that of Breazeale, that guy is awful. Mansour should have took that fight but for the tongue injury and Parker is a far superior boxer and puncher than Mansour.

Did you see any of Whyte's fights before he fought Joshua, the guy has campaigned at a lowel level than Parker and the fight before he fought Joshua I think it may have been Minto I'm not sure but Wyte looked atrocious, his performance versus Joshua was a career best performance.

[LacedUp]

You believe Parker is the same level as Breazeale ? I'm not sure why that is maybe you're going by quality of opposition he has faced to date but most of who he has fought has been a better quality of opponent than that of Breazeale, that guy is awful. Mansour should have took that fight but for the tongue injury and Parker is a far superior boxer and puncher than Mansour.

Did you see any of Whyte's fights before he fought Joshua, the guy has campaigned at a lowel level than Parker and the fight before he fought Joshua I think it may have been Minto I'm not sure but Wyte looked atrocious, his performance versus Joshua was a career best performance.

Talent wise he's obviously better on the eye. for sure. But actually Breazale has beaten a better opponent than Parker, despite the manner of victory. So yeah, I think it's fair to put these guys with roughly same number of fights, who haven't really beaten anyone in the same sort of bracket until further proved.

If Parker beats Takam, obviously he'll move ahead.

I've seen pretty much all of Whyte's fights and saw him live as an amateur as well. You're right Whyte didn't look good in that fight, but you could also look at his first 10 fights where he was a beast. He was clearly out of shape against Minto or whoever the fat little midget was.

I don't see a big difference in competition from Whyte to Parker if I'm honest. I don't think you could say it was career best. He's looked devastating in his career - of course against lower opposition. Exactly like Parker.

Before they face each other, you can discuss who is more talented or who you think will win etc. But Parker hasn't faced any adversity at all yet. Just like Whyte before his Joshua fight. Just like Martin, Ruiz etc.

[Fury4daWIN]

Do you see any contradictions in your posts?

None whatsoever. Stiff idiot. Stiff jab.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Talent wise he's obviously better on the eye. for sure. But actually Breazale has beaten a better opponent than Parker, despite the manner of victory. So yeah, I think it's fair to put these guys with roughly same number of fights, who haven't really beaten anyone in the same sort of bracket until further proved.

If Parker beats Takam, obviously he'll move ahead.

I've seen pretty much all of Whyte's fights and saw him live as an amateur as well. You're right Whyte didn't look good in that fight, but you could also look at his first 10 fights where he was a beast. He was clearly out of shape against Minto or whoever the fat little midget was.

I don't see a big difference in competition from Whyte to Parker if I'm honest. I don't think you could say it was career best. He's looked devastating in his career - of course against lower opposition. Exactly like Parker.

Before they face each other, you can discuss who is more talented or who you think will win etc. But Parker hasn't faced any adversity at all yet. Just like Whyte before his Joshua fight. Just like Martin, Ruiz etc.

So by that rationale you believe Parker will be better than Joshua after or he defeats Takam in style, interesting.

You believe Whyte is the same level of Parker, yet Parker was facing guys like Minto 7-8 fights ago, Whyte looked very poor against Minto in his last fight before Joshua. I'm not seeing what you are saying here, I know you like to champion the cause of Brits but there is a huge gulf in class and talent between Parker and Whyte.

[ianjamsie]

So by that rationale you believe Parker will be better than Joshua after or he defeats Takam in style, interesting.

You believe Whyte is the same level of Parker, yet Parker was facing guys like Minto 7-8 fights ago, Whyte looked very poor against Minto in his last fight before Joshua. I'm not seeing what you are saying here, I know you like to champion the cause of Brits but there is a huge gulf in class and talent between Parker and Whyte.

Yet dispatched him quicker than Parker.

Parker is better than Martin as well.

[Weltschmerz]

Parker is set to be IBF mando for the Joshua-Martin winner, given Parker beats Takam. Noteworthy.

[Cody8804]

Parker is set to be IBF mando for the Joshua-Martin winner, given Parker beats Takam. Noteworthy.

That's not given. Takam is a smart vet while Parker is kind of gassed up from knocking out New Zealand cab drivers

[Vinnykin]

I've watched all the fights I could dig up on Martin, I've also watched Joshua's last 5 fights and a couple others. I can't really make a call on this but I can make a case for both fighters winning.

Martin has went the distance a few times and has a good % of ko's in the later rounds, I haven't seen him lose many rounds in any of the fights I've seen and he looks sharp in the later rounds, doesn't appear to tire at any point in his fights. He seems to work on reflexes and counter punch, he just reads guys well and tries to throw sharp and accurate punches with both hands. I think Martin is a bigger, slower David Haye in style at distance but that is where the similarity ends.

Joshua has rushed out and pummelled guys and hasn't really sharpened any boxing skills or learned to pace himself like Martin has. His sheer size and power have been enough to get the job done very much like Wilder in most of his fights. After landing a stiff jab he just closes in and opens up, most of the guys haven't been good enough or big enough to cope with this and have been finished early. Joshua has very plodding footwork and no head or lateral movement, he doesn't box on his toes like Martin or Klitschko either or hasn't shown it as of yet, his reflexes and timing are not as good as a result, he doesn't look as sharp.

I think if Martin can use his size and lateral movement as a defence, and time Joshua whenever he is in distance, he can outbox him in the early rounds and take Joshua into deep water. I believe him when he said he gets stronger as I've seen him still looking good or better in the later rounds. If it goes past 6 I think Martin will Ko him in the later rounds. If Joshua catches him and backs Martin up into the corner or the ropes then we know what will happen, Joshua will let go and could finish him, Martin needs to survive these exchanges and counter to stop Joshua trying this, preferably not get caught or hurt to begin with. Joshua's best chance is to finish him early because he won't beat Martin with the jab or relying on boxing from distance.

I heard David Haye saying that he was told from trusted sources that Martin doesn't lose rounds in sparring, I don't think Joshua will outbox him and win rounds from what I've seen.

I'm going to go for Martin by Ko around round 9.....But I'll hold my hands up if joshua does manage to Ko him early. It's his only chance and 1 punch could turn it around at any tiime

[Earl-Hickey]

I see martin timing joshua and knocking him out with a left hook.

it'll look like khan/garcia with the british fans roaring as joshua lands ineffective shots and not seeing martin timing that left hook unitl BOOM