Worst Boxing Org/Sanctioning Body of 2015?

[aboutfkntime]

original zero.....

admit it.....

You had NO FKN CLUE who Martin was until the IBF pulled that ***wittery

Now, he is " champ ".

[original zero]

About Time -

You seem to be getting very upset, which is understandable. Those of lower intelligence often throw temper tantrums when the facts don't support their premise.

Glazkov and Cunningham were the ones that agreed to do an IBF eliminator. Glazkov won. He earned the right to fight the IBF champion.

Nobody is telling you to care about Glazkov. Nobody is telling you to care about the IBF title. If you believe the IBF title is meaningless, there's no reason for you to be getting so emotional.

Fury vs. Klitschko II is more interesting and more lucrative than Fury vs. Glazkov, which is why Fury vs. Klitschko II is taking place. That doesn't change the fact that it left the IBF with no choice but to strip Fury.

The rules are a joke in every organization except the IBF. The IBF follows the rules 100%, which is why top fighters choose to fight for the orgs that will bend the rules for them.

You are free to value the IBF as much or as little as you wish. If you believe they are an 8th rate organization, how exactly does that affect my life?

My position is that the IBF had no choice but to strip Fury. The facts support my position. Nothing you've been whining or moaning about changes that.

As for Charles Martin, since I actually follow the sport closely, unlike you, I was very familiar with him. The WBO had him #1, so even if he didn't luck into the Glazkov fight, he was getting a title shot either way.

Save your misguided assumptions about me. You have no idea how old I am. Judging by your childish outbursts, you are either very young or very immature. Either way, nothing you've said has countered my position in any way.

The IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. He refused to face his mandatory and took a voluntary fight instead. End of story. Sorry that is so upsetting for you.

[LoadedWraps]

original zero.....

admit it.....

You had NO FKN CLUE who Martin was until the IBF pulled that ***wittery

Now, he is " champ ".

Did anyone know who he was?

[aboutfkntime]

About Time -

You seem to be getting very upset, which is understandable. Those of lower intelligence often throw temper tantrums when the facts don't support their premise.

Nah, frustrated would be more accurate.

Those asshat's would not exist without the acknowledgement, therefore acceptance, therefore support..... of silly people.

How can there possibly be 4 world champions ?

Why would we possibly need 4 "non-profit" sanctioning organisations ?

Being a bit silly aren't ya ?

You need to read post #65, from anthonydavid11, he really did nail it.

Glazkov and Cunningham were the ones that agreed to do an IBF eliminator. Glazkov won. He earned the right to fight the IBF champion.

Nobody is telling you to care about Glazkov. Nobody is telling you to care about the IBF title. If you believe the IBF title is meaningless, there's no reason for you to be getting so emotional.

I don't care what they agreed to, they are clearly NOT among the top heavyweights on the planet..... so, WHO CARES ?

The IBF are simply inept, for ranking them.

Neither of them are top 10 heavyweights, so how could you support that rubbish?

Fury vs. Klitschko II is more interesting and more lucrative than Fury vs. Glazkov, which is why Fury vs. Klitschko II is taking place. That doesn't change the fact that it left the IBF with no choice but to strip Fury.

You have completely missed the point, again.

Go read post #65, from anthonydavid11.

1) the IBF are TOTALLY INEPT for ranking Glazkov as the #1 HW

2) they had a total brain-fart when they stripped Fury within days of him winning the title, but then gave Charles Martin a year to "enjoy his title" ~ Daryl People's words.

That is beyond absurd..... again, how could you support that sillyness ?

The IBF could have used some common-sense, and so could you.

The rules are a joke in every organization except the IBF. The IBF follows the rules 100%, which is why top fighters choose to fight for the orgs that will bend the rules for them.

Well, CONGRATULATIONS to the IBF, and to Charles Martin

The " rules " certainly worked out well in the end, didn't they ?

You are free to value the IBF as much or as little as you wish. If you believe they are an 8th rate organization, how exactly does that affect my life?

It means, that you have the same credibility that they do.

Do you really think that Charles Martin is one of the best heavyweights on the planet?

My position is that the IBF had no choice but to strip Fury. The facts support my position. Nothing you've been whining or moaning about changes that.

As for Charles Martin, since I actually follow the sport closely, unlike you, I was very familiar with him. The WBO had him #1, so even if he didn't luck into the Glazkov fight, he was getting a title shot either way.

Save your misguided assumptions about me. You have no idea how old I am. Judging by your childish outbursts, you are either very young or very immature. Either way, nothing you've said has countered my position in any way.

The IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. He refused to face his mandatory and took a voluntary fight instead. End of story. Sorry that is so upsetting for you.

The IBF can wear nappies on their heads if they wish, that will not suddenly make Charles Martin one of the best heavyweights on the planet.

Again..... congratulations to you, and the IBF, and to Charles Martin.

You could simply use some common-sense.

[aboutfkntime]

Quoted for truth.....

Haha.

Wow.

Okay, then.

As a boxing fan, I DO NOT CARE about the IBF or the WBA or the WBC or the WBO or the IBA or the IBO or the IBC(isn't that a root beer?) or the WBU or the WBF or the numerous other sad alphabet creations over the years that have been brought about for no other reason than to make sanctioning fees and make a "world title" fight out of every single fight that comes along.

As a boxing fan, I hope for what is best for the sport. Four "world titles" (God, can they at least make them regional as we only live in ONE WORLD?) in 17 divisions(105, 108, 112, 115, 118, 122, 126, 130- EIGHT DIVISIONS in a span of TWENTY-FIVE POUNDS!) is NOT good for the sport.

The next time a friend asks you who the welterweight champion is, what will you say? Middleweight? Super Featherweight? Oh wait. They won't ask about the super featherweight division because what the hell is a super featherweight division to a person who assumes that each division has a unique name without supers or juniors? hey don't have this in the UFC. So it must be better. Right? (Not an assumption I agree with, but one that can honestly be made by a person who didn't know better)

And how about the heavyweight division? Who is the heavyweight champion? Pre-IBF strip, you could say, "Well, my friend, Tyson Fury is the champion and Deontay Wilder holds a belt. So he's a champion but Fury holds three of the belts. So he's the more highly regarded champion...at least by some. Some think Wilder is better."

The confusion is on the friend's face already, but maybe they can understand it.

Post-IBF strip, "Well, Fury has two of the belts, Wilder has one and Charles Martin has the other."

"So there are THREE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS?"

"Yeah. FOUR BELTS, though."

"Oh wow. UFC only has ONE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION."

"Yeah. That's what I hear."

Crickets chirping.

You can get into the rules of these organizations all you want. You and both of the other fans who care can discuss this from here on out. It's a free country.

Any other boxing fan can easily point out the ridiculousness of this entire situation and not give one single Froch about why the IBF gave us Charles Martin as their champion and broke up the biggest prize in the sport yet again.

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original zero, read this post.....

[original zero]

About Time -

Nobody is telling you to acknowledge the IBF. You can't on one hand insist the IBF is meaningless and then on the other hand be upset that Fury doesn't have their belt. Why do you care?

There are four world champions because boxing sucks. The fighters, networks and promoters benefit in the short term from multiple titles and the fans let them get away with it. Nobody said it wasn't silly. All that was said is that the IBF had no choice but to strip Fury.

If you don't think Glazkov is one of the top heavyweights on the planet, that's lovely, but he was one of the top heavyweights in the IBF. You have four orgs, only one of them enforces their rules, so the fighters fighting for the org that enforces their rules won't necessarily be the very best fighters.

When the IBF ordered their eliminator, who was willing to fight in that eliminator that you believe should have been given the opportunity instead of Glazkov? That's one of the many flaws with your argument. You keep criticizing Glazkov, but you haven't said who should have gotten the spot that was willing to accept the spot.

The IBF wasn't inept for ranking Glazkov #1. The IBF does not pick who is #1 or #2. You can only get the #1 or #2 ranking by winning a box off for the ranking. Glazkov won. IBF had no choice but to give him the #1 ranking. If you believe he shouldn't have been in the eliminator, then tell us who was willing to be in it that should have been in it instead.

Fury was stripped for not fighting the mandatory. Had he fought the mandatory, he would have been given a year to enjoy his title.

Martin fought the mandatory, so he has a year to enjoy his title.

This is very very simple stuff. But you're so emotionally attached to the topic (for some bizarre reason since you claim nobody should care about the IBF), that you're repeatedly using faulty logic.

Charles Martin is the undefeated IBF heavyweight champion of the world. I do think that makes him one of the best heavyweights on the planet. Certainly somewhere in the top 10, until proven otherwise.

I am using common sense. You just don't like the results. The IBF's job is to rank the fighters willing to fight for the IBF, order them to fight each other, and order the champion to face the #1 contender once a year. They followed their rules. Tyson Fury refused to face the #1 contender so he could make a voluntary defense instead.

The IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. We agree that the result of that decision was not in the best interest of the IBF.

Which should make you respect them even more. They did what was WORSE for the IBF and they did it because they have integrity. Glazkov won his eliminator. The rules said he gets the next shot. The IBF made far less money by giving him the shot.

In a sport full of corruption and favoritism, I'm not going to criticize the only org showing honor and integrity.

And you're seeing the end result of operating with honor and integrity: the top fighters run to the orgs that will give them special treatment.

So ignore the IBF. Refuse to recognize the IBF title. Do whatever you want. Nobody is telling you to care about the IBF.

But the IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury.

[Teddy05]

About Time -

Nobody is telling you to acknowledge the IBF. You can't on one hand insist the IBF is meaningless and then on the other hand be upset that Fury doesn't have their belt. Why do you care?

There are four world champions because boxing sucks. The fighters, networks and promoters benefit in the short term from multiple titles and the fans let them get away with it. Nobody said it wasn't silly. All that was said is that the IBF had no choice but to strip Fury.

If you don't think Glazkov is one of the top heavyweights on the planet, that's lovely, but he was one of the top heavyweights in the IBF. You have four orgs, only one of them enforces their rules, so the fighters fighting for the org that enforces their rules won't necessarily be the very best fighters.

When the IBF ordered their eliminator, who was willing to fight in that eliminator that you believe should have been given the opportunity instead of Glazkov? That's one of the many flaws with your argument. You keep criticizing Glazkov, but you haven't said who should have gotten the spot that was willing to accept the spot.

The IBF wasn't inept for ranking Glazkov #1. The IBF does not pick who is #1 or #2. You can only get the #1 or #2 ranking by winning a box off for the ranking. Glazkov won. IBF had no choice but to give him the #1 ranking. If you believe he shouldn't have been in the eliminator, then tell us who was willing to be in it that should have been in it instead.

Fury was stripped for not fighting the mandatory. Had he fought the mandatory, he would have been given a year to enjoy his title.

Martin fought the mandatory, so he has a year to enjoy his title.

This is very very simple stuff. But you're so emotionally attached to the topic (for some bizarre reason since you claim nobody should care about the IBF), that you're repeatedly using faulty logic.

Charles Martin is the undefeated IBF heavyweight champion of the world. I do think that makes him one of the best heavyweights on the planet. Certainly somewhere in the top 10, until proven otherwise.

I am using common sense. You just don't like the results. The IBF's job is to rank the fighters willing to fight for the IBF, order them to fight each other, and order the champion to face the #1 contender once a year. They followed their rules. Tyson Fury refused to face the #1 contender so he could make a voluntary defense instead.

The IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury. We agree that the result of that decision was not in the best interest of the IBF.

Which should make you respect them even more. They did what was WORSE for the IBF and they did it because they have integrity. Glazkov won his eliminator. The rules said he gets the next shot. The IBF made far less money by giving him the shot.

In a sport full of corruption and favoritism, I'm not going to criticize the only org showing honor and integrity.

And you're seeing the end result of operating with honor and integrity: the top fighters run to the orgs that will give them special treatment.

So ignore the IBF. Refuse to recognize the IBF title. Do whatever you want. Nobody is telling you to care about the IBF.

But the IBF had no choice but to strip Tyson Fury.

You keep going on about Glaskov winning a final eliminator, but what the hell did Martin do to earn his shot?

And dont say you were very familiar with Charles Martin, his previous fight were not even televised. Are you Lynsey Tuckers son or something??

[original zero]

Teddy, when the IBF has a vacant title or is ordering an eliminator, they go down their rankings, in order, and offer the opportunity to every fighter until someone says yes.

#2 was vacant, #3 was Klitschko (who turned down the Glazkov fight) and #4 was Charles Martin. Charles Martin said yes.

Yet, while the IBF had Chales Martin ranked #4, the WBO had him ranked #1!!!

So if you find it so outrageous for the IBF to rank him #4, why aren't you complaining about the WBO having him ranked #1?!?

You are incorrect about Charles Martin. If you don't pay close attention to the sport, that would explain why you weren't aware about his fight airing on television on a PBC broadcast (on NBC sports). I've also watched his fights live on ironboyboxing.com and I've attended some of his fights in person as well.

American heavyweights with the potential to be a world champion are very lucrative and I pay attention to where the money is.

[LoadedWraps]

Teddy, when the IBF has a vacant title or is ordering an eliminator, they go down their rankings, in order, and offer the opportunity to every fighter until someone says yes.

#2 was vacant, #3 was Klitschko (who turned down the Glazkov fight) and #4 was Charles Martin. Charles Martin said yes.

Yet, while the IBF had Chales Martin ranked #4, the WBO had him ranked #1!!!

So if you find it so outrageous for the IBF to rank him #4, why aren't you complaining about the WBO having him ranked #1?!?

You are incorrect about Charles Martin. If you don't pay close attention to the sport, that would explain why you weren't aware about his fight airing on television on a PBC broadcast (on NBC sports). I've also watched his fights live on ironboyboxing.com and I've attended some of his fights in person as well.

American heavyweights with the potential to be a world champion are very lucrative and I pay attention to where the money is.

Martin has world class potential now? and please don't point to the belt he just tripped and fell into as proof.

Both the IBF and WBO should be criticized for his ranking.

[original zero]

Loaded Wraps -

Boxing Scene and Ring Magazine have Charles Martin in the top 10. I expect the updated TBRB ratings to have him in the top 10 as well.

Martin made several successful defenses as North American champion to earn his #1 WBO ranking. He didn't trip and fall into anything. Had the IBF title not been vacated, Martin had already earned a mandatory title shot against the Fury/Klitschko winner.

If you don't have Martin in your top 10, that's lovely, but people who follow the sport closely have him in the top 10.