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Is Andre Ward more likely to beat Tripple G than the other way around?

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    #21
    Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
    Golovkin is more dangerous when you give him leverage on his punches, we're seeing that more and more now. I think based off of what we saw against Murray, Monroe and Stevens, Golovkin himself ain't all that on the inside, I think we can already establish that.
    Golovkin is more dangerous at range but fighting him on the inside means closing that range. Ward closes distance better than most but Golovkin is a dangerous man to do that against all night.

    I think Murray showed how to take Golovkin the distance but it wasn’t through weakness on the inside. It was by moving constantly and by making it difficult for GGG to set himself. Ward moves much better than Murray and uses the jab far more effectively than Murray ever could.

    Sure, Ward could look to back Golovkin up and be aggressive but that’s a high risk strategy. For my money he looks to win the fight on the outside and only goes to the inside when he wants to make a statement.

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      #22
      Once Golovkin shifts, the opponent's outside game crumbles... That's how it works with those Russians.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Dr Rumack View Post
        Golovkin is more dangerous at range but fighting him on the inside means closing that range. Ward closes distance better than most but Golovkin is a dangerous man to do that against all night.

        I think Murray showed how to take Golovkin the distance but it wasn’t through weakness on the inside. It was by moving constantly and by making it difficult for GGG to set himself. Ward moves much better than Murray and uses the jab far more effectively than Murray ever could.

        Sure, Ward could look to back Golovkin up and be aggressive but that’s a high risk strategy. For my money he looks to win the fight on the outside and only goes to the inside when he wants to make a statement.
        I don't even mean in movement, Murray, Stevens, Monroe all showed us that Golovkin's offense, the quality of it, diminishes considerably on the inside. Ward is already on video saying that he prefers to go head to head with punchers as opposed to moving away from them.

        I mean, I've always said Golovkin is deceptively fast but I've yet to see a fight where he throws quick compact punches on the inside, the kind that tells me he can probably do something with Ward on the inside. This is why I strongly doubt Ward allows Golovkin to set up his offense and give him leverage.
        Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 01-20-2016, 02:46 PM.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Herr Schmeling View Post
          Why do people act like Ward is good on the inside? Clinching and holding has nothing to do with fighting on the inside. Actually, it's even illegal. James Toney was a terrific fighter on the inside. Ward is just using techniques like clinching and holding to spoil the action.
          Clinching and holding takes alot of skill and talent and many hours of practice to perfect.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Kagami Taiga View Post
            This is what happens when people base your whole career off of one fight. You guys, do yourself a favor and watch more Andre Ward fights because this is getting old already.
            Are you Johnnie Cochran? How can you make a defense for this guy? Ward is an idle, rule bending, ducking, promotion problem, bum fighting, inactive, weak chinned, unsanctioned opponent, excuse making diva.

            Don't talk about him in the same breath as triple G. If you can't spot the difference you don't know **** about boxing or human behaviour.

            This Ward cat will get chewed up and spat out of he ever, ever dares to step in the ring with GGG or Kovalev. That is like printing money - I will lump everything I have on Kov in that - but in my wildest dreams I cannot see Andrea taking it, contract or not - he will have his period that day and all bets will be off.

            Gimme a break.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
              I don't even mean in movement, Murray, Stevens, Monroe all showed us that that Golovkin's offense, the quality of it, diminishes considerably on the inside. Ward is already on video saying that he prefers to go head to head with punchers as opposed to moving away from them.

              I mean, I've always said Golovkin is deceptively fast but I've yet to see a fight where he throws quick compact punches on the inside, the kind that tells me he can probably do something with Ward on the inside. This is why I strongly doubt Ward allows Golovkin to set up his offense and give him leverage.
              Murray, Stevens, and Monroe all got severe beatdowns in those fights. They all came out on the worse end of any trading on the inside. And they were all there because GGG abandoned the jab and allowed it to happen. They were there to survive. And that's all they did until they couldn't take any more punishment. Golovkin was not hurt once and was never in danger of losing control of the fight.

              Not saying Ward wouldn't do better on the inside, but you can't possibly suggest that what Murray, Stevens, and Monroe did on the inside was a success. Inside fighting against GGG has been a war of attrition everyone has lost so far. By a significant margin.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma View Post
                I don't even mean in movement, Murray, Stevens, Monroe all showed us that that Golovkin's offense, the quality of it, diminishes considerably on the inside. Ward is already on video saying that he prefers to go head to head with punchers as opposed to moving away from them.

                I mean, I've always said Golovkin is deceptively fast but I've yet to see a fight where he throws quick compact punches on the inside, the kind that tells me he can probably do something with Ward on the inside. This is why I strongly doubt Ward allows Golovkin to set up his offense and give him leverage.
                Don't remember him fighting Stevens on the inside, and he beat the sht outta Monroe on the inside. If anything it's his defense that suffers a bit inside as he just does a Provodnikov(stone head with guard protecting chin) when regaining stamina.

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                  #28
                  I've said it before and I'll say it again: Golovkin's right uppercut would play a huge part if this fight would ever happen.

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                    #29
                    I think even if they were near in size Ward's style would be bad for Golovkin's style. The size difference pushes the odds in comfortably Ward's favor

                    GGG is not a chase you down dempsey/tyson type puncher. He's a stalker who keeps you at the distance he wants with straight punches then corners you. I don't see him having the same level of control over significantly larger fighters or fighters who are eager to score/clinch.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by AlexKid View Post
                      `I think in every way nearly Tripple G is superior, except for his lack of speed.

                      Speed is such a massive advantage in boxing that it might be enough to beta him.

                      Do you think Andre can, hit n run all night for a win in a simlar fashion to mayweather vs canelo?
                      the nonsense these "fans" say is extremely laughable let me use one of these lil smiley face thangs to drive my point further

                      Andre Ward is Bernard Hopkins in his PRIME he dont really fight nothin' like mayweather except for the jab to the stomach and recently the lead left hook which isnt a mayweather patent it was a Roy Jones Jr move that mayweather took from Roy Jones. Ward is a cerebral fighter that fights on the INSIDE and INTERMEDIATE/MIDRANGE
                      he doesnt really fight like mayweather AT ALL

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