Comments Thread For: Top Rank, Al Haymon Lawsuit To Proceed: Judge Issues Order

[bigdunny1]

In Chavez case he had a signed agreed contract to fight ggg. Then Bob took it off the table and offered MUCH, much less for a ppv fight. Bob got greedy and wanted him to extend his contract. Wouldn't even let Chavez fight a top 5 ranked WBC (I think) fighter. If they have only 1 fight left and an organization will sanction the fight that should count. But Bob won't let them... Hence why he is a manager ad promotor IMO.

Chavez Manager Keane at the time feuded with Arum the promoter over what was best for Chavez. If Arum was both manager and promoter that wouldn't of happened. Arum is not both. And Chavez was offered a career high contract to fight GGG IF HE EXTENDED his contract. If no he was offered significantly less for the 1 last fight he owed. Chavez's manager foolishly made him choose neither option and sit out because he wanted both to fight 1 last fight to get out his deal and a career payday. If you wanted out that bad do like others have done and buy out your contract or fight for less money just to fulfill your terms (1 last fight) then go be a free agent and signed to whoever you want. Arum is a greedy man that wants every nickle but Chavez screwed himself here. No way Arum was going to give him the same type of money whether he extended or didn't. Only a fool would over invest on a guy who is going to walk.

[Motofan]

all pbc fighters are part time paper shredders now lmfao.

[Eff Pandas]

If Boeing had infinite stacks of cash and sold their airplanes at a bargain basement price, willfully losing tons of money, they could probably kill of their main competitor (Airbus) and because the barriers to entry in the airplane market or so high, it is extremely unlikely that a new company would pop up to challenge a potential Boeing monopoly. So predatory pricing by Boeing would result in a massive lawsuit by Airbus, and it would be one that would be easy for Airbus to win.

How does one come to the conclusion that there is predatory pricing in boxing when there is already a lot of range in purses + there is more of a fair market value competition happening than in other sports? Seems like this would be near impossible to prove.

[Shadoww702]

I don't think Bob Arum would let a fighter like Chavez and/or Garcia get away with just fighting any old fighter. Even if they are ranked by an organization in the top 5??? I believe most will sanction a champion fight as long as they're ranked in the top #10??? See that's the only problem I have with it? I'm sure both would of easily fought for peanuts against a c/d type of fighter. But arum demands they fight the best and wants them to extend an Already agreed upon contract or sit. He would rather burn someone then let them leave him...

[Shadoww702]

A promotor should just promote fights and a GOOD manager should pick the fighters. Bob Arums picks the fighters (Mostly all his) and does the promotion as well. All you have to know is.... yesterday I was lying but today I'm telling the truth.

[Fetta]

a promotor should just promote fights and a good manager should pick the fighters.

been saying this is the way it should be too and i feel it will be.

Manager chooses fighters and promotional companies bid on fights to promote them.

[Sweet Jones]

Chavez Manager Keane at the time feuded with Arum the promoter over what was best for Chavez. If Arum was both manager and promoter that wouldn't of happened. Arum is not both. And Chavez was offered a career high contract to fight GGG IF HE EXTENDED his contract. If no he was offered significantly less for the 1 last fight he owed. Chavez's manager foolishly made him choose neither option and sit out because he wanted both to fight 1 last fight to get out his deal and a career payday. If you wanted out that bad do like others have done and buy out your contract or fight for less money just to fulfill your terms (1 last fight) then go be a free agent and signed to whoever you want. Arum is a greedy man that wants every nickle but Chavez screwed himself here. No way Arum was going to give him the same type of money whether he extended or didn't. Only a fool would over invest on a guy who is going to walk.

I agree. And this is EXACTLY why the PBC boxing model exists and appeals to fighters.

Because other than the 'that's-the-way-it's-always-been' argument, it makes no sense for a promoter to have that level of control over an established boxer career options or to be locked into a promotional contact like that. Especially when that promoter artificially limits their own options through wink-wink deals with select networks.

But please continue defending the status quo. It will be dead soon.

[Lou Cipher]

It'll be nice if ArScum can do something positive like shut down the racist PBC before he croaks and enters the ground in his gold coffin lined with Manny's tax money.

[Eff Pandas]

I agree this is just a way for top skank to see how PBC and Haymon operate. And see how long they can hold up.

Idk that this does much good or its arguable at least. I think this is just a lean on PBC's budget, time, public image & perhaps morale. GBP's lawsuit to although I think GBP gots more legit reasons to sue.

The reality is if Bob or anyone is assuming that this 400M war chest going empty means these investors won't be willing to refill the war chest or a new investor won't come in & this whole PBC thing just ends on a dime like a casual gambler at the casino after his last $10 on black & the roulette wheel comes up 0, I think you are making a huge assumption. To stop PBC I think Haymon will have to be doing something illegal cuz the threshold he's attained already in the game is impressive & gots to show that the long term goals of PBC is very doable.

[djt117]

Garcia has one fight left and offered to fight Crawford if they let him out and they said no. He must sign extension or sit.

Only a moron would ever have accepted that offer. Let's say you're TR and you accept Garcia's proposal. What if Garcia won?

TR would then have sacrificed one of best fighters (Crawford) to Garcia and helped to make Garcia a much bigger star ... right on his way out the door.

And because Garcia would sign with your main rival (Haymon) who is attempting to beat you in the business by scooping up all the talent & freezing you out, getting a rematch for Crawford (your guy) would be next to impossible, a particularly harsh outcome in the event that a Garcia-Crawford fight is close/controversial.

Even if Crawford won, it's not even truly a "win" for you. Sure a loss sets Garcia back, but he's still a marketable, elite talent who is now leaving you, free and clear, without owing you anything.

At the end of the day, it's way more advantageous for TR to take the following approach: "Mikey, I have 2 more years worth of contractual rights to promote your fights. Pay me $3 million if you want out". Like I said, Floyd took out a million dollar loan to buy out his contract. It can be done. Where there's a will, there's a way.

I don't think any fighter owes any loyalty to any promoter. Boxing is a business, and if you wanna leave, then do what it takes to leave (like Floyd did) ...
... BUT if you're gonna leave your promoter (who has invested a fortune in building your career from square one) and then your promoter takes the very same "boxing is a business" attitude with regard to enforcing his contractual rights, you're not allowed to cry about it being unfair.