does he not see the obvious hypocrisy in what he said?
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Ward keeps going with his blatant lies.
No one pressures him to move up. He couldnt make 168 anymore, even had to drag 168 guys to Light Heavy.
If he can make 168 easily why doesnt he fight DeGale? Pretty sure DeGale would be up for a fight against Ward. Also he never cleaned out the division, he fought the guys in the tournament, but did he fight Bute at that time who was a champion and undefeated?
Then he ducked the Froch rematch in England, he didnt try to negotiate with GGG until he had fights signed and now he keeps on with his lies.
Tries fighting Rohan Murdocks and 40 year old columbian plumbers and drags them to 175 instead of fighting them at THEIR real weight and he talks about people pressuring him?
Ward is the only guy who pressured Dawson into moving down, who pressured Paul Smith into moving up and who pressured Murdock and Brand into moving up.
Fight Degale, he is the guy to beat at 168 now.
If that ******ed liar would ever care what others tell him, he wouldnt be dragging bums into a higher weightclass since he cant make 168 any longer.
Fights at 172 and realizes damn now i have to deal with the Krusher eventually and then he breaks apart.Last edited by Jubei; 11-07-2015, 07:50 AM.Comment
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Well lets speculate thenOriginally posted by Mr. Philadel View Post
Who? and Why?
My 5 cents >>> Goossen was much respected by other promoters and there was much annoyance that Ward was actually taking him to court repeatedly - kind of broke an unwritten code
Over an above that - how has that actually affected Ward in any negative way until now? Seems to me that he is the master of his own misfortune.Comment
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Difference is Ward cleaned out 168 a long time ago. Technically, even if it's BS Cotto is the 160lbs champ, not GGG. So he has unfinished business there.
Nobody would be complaining either if Ward was trying to make fights with Badou Jack or DeGale/Bute winner at 168.
He just needs to get active again, fight people from the weight class he's competing in and raise his level of competition. It's hard to believe that he would face GGG anytime soon anyway considering he wants to fight the likes of Smith, Brand & Murdock.Comment
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"Supposedly" being the operative word.Originally posted by SteveM View Post
There's no way HBO want Ward anywhere near Golovkin. And neither do Team GGG.
As much as I'd love to see Ward-DeGale, politics will now likely prevent it due to Haymon and Roc Nation not doing business together. Same goes for Badou Jack. Ward already beat Abraham who wouldn't leave Germany for that fight anyway.Originally posted by Jubei View Post
Ward's only big fight left at 168 was if GGG strapped on a pair and eventually moved up. Unfortunately they showed no signs of doing that and have robbed the boxing fans of a potentially great fight.Comment
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Very good post. No. We won't all get along - that is human nature. Unfortunately. You are a diplomat. Others are haters. Diplomats try to undo the hate. It works for a while and then more hate springs up. Boxing, being a combat sport attracts people who enjoy arguments and fights.Originally posted by petegrif View PostI have followed Ward since his Olympic days. He is a phenomenal talent. To be as good as he is you have to have enormous character in the ring. Sadly, his character in the ring is not matched by his character outside the ring. As a longstanding fan I have been forced to the painful realization that he is just way too entitled for his own good. I don't pretend to understand exactly what it is that drives his adolescent spoiled behavior. A lot of the time he just sounds flat out jealous the to acclaim that other fighter get when he knows (and he's almost certainly right) that they're not as good as him. But here's the problem - he had an easy ride to the top with the Super Six which took a huge amount of boxing politics off his plate, the kind of politics that can paralyze the career of fighters who are too good for their own good so champions avoid them. Since then he has spent more time fighting his promoter than opponents. And for all his good two shoes SOG persona, he spends a helluva lot of time dissing others. To cap all of that he barely fights outside of Oakland, can't sell out his home town, makes statements about how he doesn't care what others think about who he chooses to fight and just generally whining.
I want to get the GGG situation on the table. There are plenty of GGG haters out there. I have no idea why. This is a guy with a great Olympic record, from a god forsaken part of the world who got locked into a crap pro contract with a crap european promoter, was avoided by fighters like Stern and Martinez and whose career only took off after he got out from the contract. He is a very skillful entertaining fighter. He appears to be a great guy. Always polite and respectful of other fighters. Grateful to his fans. He fights anyone that will get in the ring with him three times a year and he knocks the guys out in entertaining fights. Great fighters, who know way more than us, and highly experienced trainers, say he's the real deal. So... What's not to like? If your a boxing fan I truly have no idea. Q. why are I raising the GGG situation in a Ward thread. A. Because there seem to be a lot of diehard Ward fans, who aren't bothered by his behavior seem to hate on this guy more than anyone. Ward, during a period when he was tied up with lawsuits and injuries, kept picking fights with GGG and his team. We can have our own opinions about why - I think he was jealous of the popularity of GGG when he felt he is the better fighter (and may well be) and needed something to keep himself in the news. But when you look at the situation with any logic at all, this is BS. GGG hadn't cleared out his weight division but Ward had years ago.
So can't we just put all this crap behind us once and for all. Ward is super talented, boring to the average viewer who isn't a serious fan, without much of an audience and a pain in the neck. GGG is maybe less talented but way more entertaining to the average fan, with a fast growing audience (disappointing ppv notwithstanding) and a decent guy. Maybe they'll fight one day and maybe they won't. And if they do, Ward may well win. But until that day, especially now Ward has moved up...
...can't we all just get along.
The interesting thing is what has brought on this latest Ward whine. Where is the pressure he is talking about coming from? If on social media then so be it. But if he is talking about pressure from ROC or HBO then that would be very telling.Comment
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Nobody is forcing him to move up. Nobody forced him to be inactive and nobody forced him to then sign with a promoter who Haymon doesn't work with even though Haymon has most of the talent at 168. He took the short-term big paydays Jay represented rather than the long-term opportunities Haymon could offer, but to him the state of his career is somebody else's fault. Nobody forced him to chase guys like Murdock either. All of the things he deserves criticism for are down to him, the majority of boxers have it much harder than Ward, yet he always seems to feel hard done by.
Him and his fans have this focus Golovkin, which I guess they need in order to deflect from all this stuff. I can understand he wanted the GGG fight and is frustrated it didn't happen. It's not that I disagree with him being pissed off about the issue, but that one issue can't be used to explain/support everything Ward does.
He just seems so bitter and that has worked against him the past. After winning the Super 6 rather than build on it he wasn't happy with the money/praise he got and turned down Bute, got into a dispute with Goosen, sat out talking about how he wasn't bothered if he didn't fight again. Meanwhile Froch took the Bute fight, stayed active and made good money and several big wins. From 2012-2014 it was Froch was did the things Ward should've been doing if he wasn't so negative and forever unsatisfied. Ward was never going to sell out 80,000 but he certainly could've been a bigger draw than he is now and facing Bute could've been a career-high payday. The loser of the tournament got the successful years the winner would've had if only he didn't have an attitude problem.
It still seems like he won't face Kovalev. I know his fans have basically already given him credit for a wide UD win but this is another interview where he doesn't seem happy about what's being lined up for him. He has a chip on his shoulder about having to face Kovalev rather than a hunger to get in there, I'm surprised people are so certain it's going to happen especially after the latest cancellation/injury.Comment
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Perhaps they wouldn't want to see you lose If you weren't such a boring, bland P.O.S when you fight then outside of it making constant excuses for fights not happening AND now you're injured!
This is exactly why GGG shouldn't have wasted his time with this waster, move all the way up to 168lbs give up the chance completely of a Canelo/Cotto fight only for Ward to get injured somehow when he is the least active fighter around baring in mind he is still young.Comment
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Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that in order to get back on HBO they told him to move up to 175, when he was still talking about possibly fighting at 168 lil g tune changed to 154-160 moment it was announced he was moving to lhw the talk of 168 came back up from lil g and co, so stop whining ward go take on big boys at 175 and continue building your legacy while Lil g pray every night before he go to bed he can get that super fight from them jmwComment
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