Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: They Pressure Me To Move Up, Not Others

[aboutfkntime]

Fact - Ward pulled out of fighting DeGale twice.

So, the fight got made twice ?

How many times did Ward try to make a fight with Golovkin ****head ?

[Boxingwizard]

In short...... boxingwizard's insinuation that Ward ducked Degale is rubbish.

So Degale made him an offer..... so fkn what LOL..... Ward made Golovkin a ton of offers but I bet that genius boxingwizard doesn't see that as a duck.

I never mentioned anything about Golovkin, this argument isn't about Golovkin, not to mention that Golovkin is fighting in a different division. Yeah really strong argument there genius...sarcasm.

[Boxingwizard]

So, the fight got made twice ?

How many times did Ward try to make a fight with Golovkin ****head ?

It does matter when a top contender in the same division makes an attempt to fight the champion and the champions backs out of the negotiations, what does that say ****head? Yeah he avoided fighting DeGale. And Golvokin like I said in my previous post didn't need to move up, he has no trouble making 160.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Groves beat Degale twice, once in the am's, once as a pro.

Groves holds back-to-back wins over Degale.

That my friend..... is referred to as a " problem ".

And yes I saw that fight.

The means is irrelevant. What did Jones do with Griffin ?

Degale should be screaming for Groves just to set the record straight.

I like Degale, and I rate him..... I rate him higher than I do Groves..... but the fact remains that Groves still holds a win over Degale.

There are likely THOUSANDS of Brits right now who will insist that Groves is a better fighter than Degale based on those 2 wins..... if Degale doesn't see that as a problem, then he doesn't take the sport too seriously.

In short...... boxingwizard's insinuation that Ward ducked Degale is rubbish.

So Degale made him an offer..... so fkn what LOL..... Ward made Golovkin a ton of offers but I bet that genius boxingwizard doesn't see that as a duck.

DeGale wanted an immediate rematch with Groves but Groves ran from the rematch. Groves still doesn't want the fight NOW. Please don't comment on things of which you have no idea.

And that would have nothing to do with a potential Ward-DeGale fight. Does Ward only fight guys who are undefeated?

DeGale didn't make anyone an offer. He accepted an offer from Ward's people to fight him in America. I don't think Ward "ducked" the fight, he chose Rodriguez instead.

[aboutfkntime]

It does matter when a top contender in the same division makes an attempt to fight the champion and the champions backs out of the negotiations, what does that say ****head? Yeah he avoided fighting DeGale. And Golvokin like I said in my previous post didn't need to move up, he has no trouble making 160.

You are an absolute utter golovtard..... apologies, I didn't realise at first.

I'm gonna start calling you guys golovstains from now on.

Let me guess..... Manny Pacquaio is your favorite fighter right ?

[Boxingwizard]

You are an absolute utter golovtard..... apologies, I didn't realise at first.

I'm gonna start calling you guys golovstains from now on.

Let me guess..... Manny Pacquaio is your favorite fighter right ?

Where in my post did I ever hinted that I liked Golovkin moron? This argument isn't about Golovkin. You proven you don't know what you are talking about, everything you state is what you think, not factual. Not only that you misinterpret what I say and make stuff up. I mean you've gone from talking about DeGale to Golovkin, just give up.

[aboutfkntime]

DeGale wanted an immediate rematch with Groves.....

I agree, and Groves refused.

..... but Groves ran from the rematch.

Well, he had NO reason whatsoever to give an immediate rematch to a guy who he utterly detests, and who had done nothing but disparage him publicly to the media.

Groves got his 2nd win over a bitter rival, so he moved on and eventually landed a Froch fight.

I agree that the fight itself qualified for a rematch, but you know it doesn't always work like that.

Be reasonable, Groves COULD have given Degale an immediate rematch, but he didn't..... so what, Degale made his own way, as should be the case.

Now times have changed..... I don't believe that beating Dirrell removed the truckloads of sand that Groves dumped up Degale's vagina, no way.

The Groves loss must still smart bitterly back home.

And that would have nothing to do with a potential Ward-DeGale fight. Does Ward only fight guys who are undefeated?

No of course not..... but boxingwizard has taken it upon himself to start some "Ward ducked Degale" crusade, even though he is the only person I have ever heard suggest such a thing...... so he has gotta come correct..... if Degale was his mandatory, or the leading SMW, or even IF folks thought he had a decent chance of beating Ward..... maybe boxinggenius would have a point.

But he doesn't.

Degale is a proud warrior, of course he wants that rematch, I'd say desperately..... and Groves should jump at the chance for a (undeserved) title shot.

You stated that Groves still won't rematch Degale..... no idea why..... there really was nothing in their first fight, maybe Groves realizes that he has fallen off and he can see that Degale is right on top of his game.

DeGale didn't make anyone an offer. He accepted an offer from Ward's people to fight him in America. I don't think Ward "ducked" the fight, he chose Rodriguez instead.

Yep, at that point in time Degale had done nothing to DEMAND anything, and Groves was about to fight Froch..... so Groves would have got the Ward fight had he beaten Froch, not Degale.

No idea why boxingwizard insists upon classifying that as a duck.

[aboutfkntime]

DeGale wanted an immediate rematch with Groves but Groves ran from the rematch. Groves still doesn't want the fight NOW. Please don't comment on things of which you have no idea.

And that would have nothing to do with a potential Ward-DeGale fight. Does Ward only fight guys who are undefeated?

DeGale didn't make anyone an offer. He accepted an offer from Ward's people to fight him in America. I don't think Ward "ducked" the fight, he chose Rodriguez instead.

Put it this way.....

If what you said is correct..... that Groves still won't rematch Degale, even now that Degale holds a title..... then you're right, Degale no longer has Groves problems.

[Boxingwizard]

I agree, and Groves refused.

You didn't know about that genius, you kept asking me questions why Groves hasn't fought DeGale yet. If you knew so much about the game, you should have known that.

No of course not..... but boxingwizard has taken it upon himself to start some "Ward ducked Degale" crusade, even though he is the only person I have ever heard suggest such a thing...... so he has gotta come correct..... if Degale was his mandatory, or the leading SMW, or even IF folks thought he had a decent chance of beating Ward..... maybe boxinggenius would have a point.

I'm not starting a crusade dumb ass, what the f1ck are you on? Are you really that much of a Ward fanboy to believe that? I said he avoided fighting DeGale based on the fact that Ward pulled out of negotiations on a potential fight with DeGale twice. I heard rumors about a Ward/DeGale fight in 2013 and Diggler just proves my point.

If I really wanted to smear your precious Ward, I would have said "Ward is a coward for not fighting DeGale and he should have fought DeGale instead of Kovalev". I simply said he avoided DeGale based on Ward pulling out of the agreement to fight DeGale. That's what I meant in my first post. I would have never said Ward avoided DeGale if I didn't have sources to back up my statements.

And I'm not the only person talking about this, I gave you a link to an ESB topic where it says "Did Ward move up LHW to avoid a fight with DeGale"? It's 265 replies, do you need the link because I will give it to you. And just because DeGale wasn't mando or the most deserving doesn't mean that Ward didn't avoided a fight with DeGale. Your opinion if a fighter is ducking who is just that, your opinion. And there are some people out there who believe DeGale could beat Ward, I heard there comments. Regardless what you think it would be a difficult fight for Ward if he's not on his A game.

Yep, at that point in time Degale had done nothing to DEMAND anything, and Groves was about to fight Froch..... so Groves would have got the Ward fight had he beaten Froch, not Degale.

No idea why boxingwizard insists upon classifying that as a duck.

According to what Diggler said it was Ward's team that gave DeGale an offer and than an agreement couldn't be made so he fought Rodriguez instead. But in your own words, DeGale didn't deserve a fight with Ward because he still had "Groves problems". Yet Ward's team gave DeGale an offer despite DeGale having Groves problem and than pulled out of a fight with DeGale again in 2014 (the year Froch beat Groves). I have the link where DeGale's manger talks about that, I'm pretty sure you watched it.

EDIT: Do you have sources that Ward would have fought Groves if he beaten Froch? I doubt you do. You're just talking nonsense.

[aboutfkntime]

You didn't know about that genius, you kept asking me questions why Groves hasn't fought DeGale yet. If you knew so much about the game, you should have known that.

You have conveniently switched timelines again

I was asking you, why doesn't Degale rematch Groves NOW ?

Nobody ever disputed the fact that Groves flatly refused an immediate rematch..... Degale demanded one, and Froch continually reminded us that Groves had refused to rematch Degale leading up to Froch/Groves I.

Nobody ever questioned that, I asked why Degale wasn't chasing that rematch NOW, because Groves should jump at the chance for a (undeserved) title shot following his losses to Froch/Jack.

Diggler pointed out that Groves recently refused to give Degale a rematch so you're right in that Degale no longer has Groves problems.

But Diggler was referring to back in 2013, well what had Degale done then ?

Degale arrived on the world stage a few months ago, up until then he had done nothing notable except a debatable loss to Groves.

Where was Degale ranked back in 2013, was he even in the top 10 ?

Back then we had Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Green, the Dirrell Brothers, Ward, Bika, and others..... was Degale even in the top 10?

He may have been close, cant remember for sure..... but he really had done nothing up to that point, as I said earlier he only arrived on the world stage a few months ago when he beat Dirrell.

Degale was viewed back then in much the same light as Rodriguez.

That would not have been seen as a top fight, Degale would have been viewed as a voluntary stay-busy opponent, albiet a very good one.

But I got no problem with that fight now, Degale has earned it.

Surprised that Groves refused to rematch him..... that win over Dirrell really was first class, maybe he shook.