Comments Thread For: Saunders: After I Beat Lee, I'm 18 Months From Golovkin

[AndreaWard]

Andy Lee = the big time

EXACTLY! Thank YOU! lil G can't possibly handle the finesse, the speed, the power, of an all time great like ALEXANDER BRAND! finally someone who trully understands BOXING!

[NEETzsche]

Yep, when unifying puts a so called elite fighter in the right with the likes of Lemieux, Lee, Saunders, and a couple jr middleweights. Just because a guy has some pointless belt doesn't make him a good fighter. That's what GGG's fanbase fails to acknowledge and accept.

they're no worse than the beltholders in most other divisions right now. apart from golovkin, wlad and arguably kovalev and gonzalez, can you name another current fighter who is even trying to unify his division?

i'm pretty tired of people holding golovkin to absurd standards and then slaughtering him when he fails to meet them. it'd be better if you lot were honest and admitted that you flat out don't like him and just want to see him beat asap

[hitking]

they're no worse than the beltholders in most other divisions right now. apart from golovkin, wlad and arguably kovalev and gonzalez, can you name another current fighter who is even trying to unify his division?

i'm pretty tired of people holding golovkin to absurd standards and then slaughtering him when he fails to meet them. it'd be better if you lot were honest and admitted that you flat out don't like him and just want to see him beat asap

The standards GGG are held to aren't close to the standard Floyd. Floyd beat P4P fighter after P4P fight. And top contender after top contender spanning nearly two decades and five divisions. Yet according to many, never fought a legitimate threat.

I'm hard on Golovkin because of the pathetic way his team reacted to Ward pulling his card. I'm hard on Golovkin because his team is trying to use "unification" as a means to glorify him fighting C level competition. GGG isn't a heavyweight, which means he has options. Floyd won belts in five divisions. Manny in eight. Roy Jones in four. Sweet Pea in four. And thr list goes on and on.

Unfortunately for Golovkin, he's competing in a crappy division. The guy is 33yrs old and still without a defining fight. Everybody isnt gonna be Hagler and Hopkins. And be fortunate enough to have superstars from lower divisions come to them. Even though B-Hop recently called out Golovkin to move up, citing his own jump to light heavy to fight Tarver. GGG appears to be in a position where he's gonna have to seek out better competition if he wants to validate his greatness and earning ability. Because trying to glorify this belt hunt isn't doing it for the majority.

[j0zef]

The standards GGG are held to aren't close to the standard Floyd. Floyd beat P4P fighter after P4P fight. And top contender after top contender spanning nearly two decades and five divisions. Yet according to many, never fought a legitimate threat.

Golovkin has challenged EVERY p4p fighter around his division. They have ALL turned him down at one time or another for one reason or another.

I'm hard on Golovkin because of the pathetic way his team reacted to Ward pulling his card. I'm hard on Golovkin because his team is trying to use "unification" as a means to glorify him fighting C level competition. GGG isn't a heavyweight, which means he has options. Floyd won belts in five divisions. Manny in eight. Roy Jones in four. Sweet Pea in four. And thr list goes on and on.

Ward didn't 'pull his card. Ward failed to make the fight happen. Ward was told by HBO that the fight will take awhile to promote (same timeline as current Ward vs Kov). Ward said no thanks, I want some tune ups first.
GGG's team moved on.
Everything after that, including the 'lil g' rant, was Ward's attempt at free publicity. That is all there is to it. Educate yourself on what ACTUALLY happened instead of parroting the same crap over and over again.

Unfortunately for Golovkin, he's competing in a crappy division. The guy is 33yrs old and still without a defining fight. Everybody isnt gonna be Hagler and Hopkins. And be fortunate enough to have superstars from lower divisions come to them. Even though B-Hop recently called out Golovkin to move up, citing his own jump to light heavy to fight Tarver. GGG appears to be in a position where he's gonna have to seek out better competition if he wants to validate his greatness and earning ability. Because trying to glorify this belt hunt isn't doing it for the majority.

Wrong. He makes everyone in MW look and act like crap, MW by itself is fine. There's absolutely no one in either 154, 168 or 175 who have the star power that's in MW. And it's not even close.

-Chunky's fighting old Bute that got KOd by Froch in super6 and by Golovkin in the amateurs. Abraham (Ward victim) is fighting Murray, someone that Golovkin has already beaten. Jack barely squeaked by Groves, another Froch victim and is contemplating fighting fatty Chavez.
-175 has old Adonis who walks around in Haymon armour and Kovalev.
-154 has Lara, another Haymon protected fighter.. and pretty much no one else.

If Golovkin is successful at unifying MW, he only has 2 other real opponents left - Ward & Kov. As you said, Golovkin is 33. If he goes up in weight, it will be tough for him to come down. So he's absolutely going to take care of MW before even considering moving up. It's logic, plain and simple. Logic beats 'lil g' crybabies every time.

[hitking]

Golovkin has challenged EVERY p4p fighter around his division. They have ALL turned him down at one time or another for one reason or another.



Ward didn't 'pull his card. Ward failed to make the fight happen. Ward was told by HBO that the fight will take awhile to promote (same timeline as current Ward vs Kov). Ward said no thanks, I want some tune ups first.
GGG's team moved on.
Everything after that, including the 'lil g' rant, was Ward's attempt at free publicity. That is all there is to it. Educate yourself on what ACTUALLY happened instead of parroting the same crap over and over again.



Wrong. He makes everyone in MW look and act like crap, MW by itself is fine. There's absolutely no one in either 154, 168 or 175 who have the star power that's in MW. And it's not even close.

-Chunky's fighting old Bute that got KOd by Froch in super6 and by Golovkin in the amateurs. Abraham (Ward victim) is fighting Murray, someone that Golovkin has already beaten. Jack barely squeaked by Groves, another Froch victim and is contemplating fighting fatty Chavez.
-175 has old Adonis who walks around in Haymon armour and Kovalev.
-154 has Lara, another Haymon protected fighter.. and pretty much no one else.

If Golovkin is successful at unifying MW, he only has 2 other real opponents left - Ward & Kov. As you said, Golovkin is 33. If he goes up in weight, it will be tough for him to come down. So he's absolutely going to take care of MW before even considering moving up. It's logic, plain and simple. Logic beats 'lil g' crybabies every time.

GGG never tried to make a Ward fight happen. When Ward first expressed interest, GGG's team said it didn't make financial sense. When Ward became more vocal, GGG's team came with the164 catchweight crap. The reality is, Ward has never been in position to actually make the fight happen, which most GGG critics acknowledge. Most of GGG's critics are critical of the reasons those in GGG's camp gave as to why it shouldn't. Had they simply come out and said let's do it. And it eventually didn't due to Ward, they would have looked a lot better. But ti everyone not on the GGG bandwagon, Gennady came out looking like he didn't want the fight.

As for Gennady and his business at middleweight. If GGG is content being basically a cult hero to a handful of computer nerds. Go ahead and go with this unification campaign. And if he does, he'll never go down as the great fighter, or crossover star he ultimately wants to become. Its that simple. Fans aren't buying it. And numerous fighters, trainers, and boxing insiders have already called bull**** on his greatness and unwillingness to challenge himself.

[Weebler I]

Warren will feed him to the pigs before he lets him get into the ring with GGG.

[j0zef]

GGG never tried to make a Ward fight happen. When Ward first expressed interest, GGG's team said it didn't make financial sense. When Ward became more vocal, GGG's team came with the164 catchweight crap. The reality is, Ward has never been in position to actually make the fight happen, which most GGG critics acknowledge. Most of GGG's critics are critical of the reasons those in GGG's camp gave as to why it shouldn't. Had they simply come out and said let's do it. And it eventually didn't due to Ward, they would have looked a lot better. But ti everyone not on the GGG bandwagon, Gennady came out looking like he didn't want the fight.

Again, wrong. Please find a source to back up what you're saying.

Here's a from Golovkin back in June:

If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?"

Ward never denied any of this, and he's made it clear he wanted tune up fights. GGG's team said they're not interested in waiting for him. They have said multiple times that fight with Andre will happen in 2016 or 2017.
Here's a source from that says they may fight him in 2016 or 2017
And here's the same response in .

As for Gennady and his business at middleweight. If GGG is content being basically a cult hero to a handful of computer nerds. Go ahead and go with this unification campaign. And if he does, he'll never go down as the great fighter, or crossover star he ultimately wants to become. Its that simple. Fans aren't buying it. And numerous fighters, trainers, and boxing insiders have already called bull**** on his greatness and unwillingness to challenge himself.

All the trolls on this site make it seem that the only way Golovkin can prove himself is to fight Ward. The world doesn't revolve around Ward.
For all the fighters, trainers and insiders that you mention, there are just as many great fighters & trainers who think he's doing the right thing in unifying the division.

[hitking]

Again, wrong. Please find a source to back up what you're saying.

Here's a from Golovkin back in June:
Ward never denied any of this, and he's made it clear he wanted tune up fights. GGG's team said they're not interested in waiting for him. They have said multiple times that fight with Andre will happen in 2016 or 2017.
Here's a source from that says they may fight him in 2016 or 2017
And here's the same response in .

All the trolls on this site make it seem that the only way Golovkin can prove himself is to fight Ward. The world doesn't revolve around Ward.
For all the fighters, trainers and insiders that you mention, there are just as many great fighters & trainers who think he's doing the right thing in unifying the division.

Dude, I'm not getting into this same ole tired, "he ducked, no he ducked", Floyd-Manny argument when it comes to Ward-GGG. I don't know how much plainer I can be. I fully acknowledge that legally, Ward couldn't even fight through most of this drama. My issue, along with many on my side of the argument is GGG's hypocrisy and excuses, which are well documented. And judging by the fact that Ward has moved on. And he's targeting a lesser star, who quite frankly is a much bigger threat to him than Gennady. While Gennady is still trying to sell the world on how important fights with Andy Lee and a couple jr middleweights are. Judging by that, and current resumes. I'd say Ward is far less likely the one that didn't want the fight and Team GGG was.

As for "unification", this ain't the 90s. Boxing has evolved, and boxing fans have become educated to the fact that just because a guy has a belt, doesn't mean he's a good fighter. Unification is pointless when you have a guy that's supposed to be elite fighting C level bums. No matter how many belts are on the line. And judging by the backlash within the boxing community. And the box office flop the Lemieux fight was. Seems like very few are buying the company line that you and the other GGG d1ckriders keep regurgitating.

[HeroBando]

Dude, I'm not getting into this same ole tired, "he ducked, no he ducked", Floyd-Manny argument when it comes to Ward-GGG. I don't know how much plainer I can be. I fully acknowledge that legally, Ward couldn't even fight through most of this drama. My issue, along with many on my side of the argument is GGG's hypocrisy and excuses, which are well documented. And judging by the fact that Ward has moved on. And he's targeting a lesser star, who quite frankly is a much bigger threat to him than Gennady. While Gennady is still trying to sell the world on how important fights with Andy Lee and a couple jr middleweights are. Judging by that, and current resumes. I'd say Ward is far less likely the one that didn't want the fight and Team GGG was.

As for "unification", this ain't the 90s. Boxing has evolved, and boxing fans have become educated to the fact that just because a guy has a belt, doesn't mean he's a good fighter. Unification is pointless when you have a guy that's supposed to be elite fighting C level bums. No matter how many belts are on the line. And judging by the backlash within the boxing community. And the box office flop the Lemieux fight was. Seems like very few are buying the company line that you and the other GGG d1ckriders keep regurgitating.

Ward is not targeting Kov dumb****. He's targeting SMW bums at 175, but if he wants to be back on HBO he has to commit to Kov fight, HBo terms. Kov would rather fight him next, its Ward who's pushing it back a year. And his tuneups are just shocking, as though he's got no intention of going through with the deal. A lot can happen in a year, injuries, lawsuits etc

[-PBP-]

Andy Lee = the big time

The road to greatness goes through Andy Lee