Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Dosumpthin]

So now you want to keep my in suspense? What are you talking about?

That 3 experts will review the data and vote on if they think its likely doping, not doping? And? What is your point?

When you do as an example, microdose. You are more than likely below the amount to trigger a positive result. THAT IS THE POINT OF MICRO-DOSING!!!

Some may risk it a bit and come up with a "su****ious" sample. Then the "experts" review and either they have or do not have sufficient evidence. With microdosing, they often cannot go any further and call it a day.

If su****ious, the request is to have the athlete tested more often.

You claimed that CIR test can be beat (for no other purposes than to support your opinion that Floyd uses PEDS) by using plant/animal based testosterone.

This statement may be true for CIR by itself, but I'm not a scientist so I don't know. Nor will I pretend to be one to validate my own opinion and contradict your expertise.

HOWEVER:

I pointed out to you within WADA Athlete Biological Passport procedures for WADA labs - there is a specific protocol labs will follow in the event the CIR can not detect the origin of the testosterone.

As you should know by now, the purpose for ABP is to bring forth doping violations without actually finding the dope. I PROVIDED you EXACT procedures for your example and you keep ignoring the post.


Instead of acknowledging these facts that you were obviously unaware of you decided to

- ignore ABP altogether
- claim Microdosing
- imply people will not do their job
- ramble on with your speculative BS about how the process works
- belittle target testing

Smh. You're so full of shlt.

FYI Microdosing is done to avoid target testing. Just like Dr Gerard (WADA TUEC) pointed out to you in the audio link YOU PROVIDED - this is more information you ignore - today's labs can find a "cup of sugar in a swimming pool". He then went on and explained to you that Microdosing at undetectable levels would have a "placebo effect".



Still think you can use a whizzinator to beat ABP?



Better yet, does VADA do any type of longitudinal testing? I know Thomas Hauser said VADA is a great bargain for the fighters to save money and all - but how would VADA handle candy yam flavored testosterone gummy bears?

[Shape up]

• Last, the news that the passport is beatable is not, well, news. Remember that point that other organizations fund research? Another study, not directly funded by WADA, found much the same as the recent French study.

The researchers in the other study included several well-regarded scientists (led by Ashenden). They gave 10 subjects twice-weekly microdoses of EPO for 12 weeks. Similar to the French study, researchers found a 10 percent increase in total hemoglobin mass, which correlates strongly to aerobic capacity. Just as with the French study, researchers found that none of the 10 athletes’ profiles would have been flagged as abnormal by the software analysis—it would have taken expert human review to catch, a point that the researchers made in their conclusion. The study met the other standards WADA says the French study missed: It used passport guidelines and was published in a peer-reviewed journal (the European Journal of Applied Physiology). The publication date? September, 2011.--------- yes the ABP can be beaten easily

[Dosumpthin]

• Last, the news that the passport is beatable is not, well, news. Remember that point that other organizations fund research? Another study, not directly funded by WADA, found much the same as the recent French study.

The researchers in the other study included several well-regarded scientists (led by Ashenden). They gave 10 subjects twice-weekly microdoses of EPO for 12 weeks. Similar to the French study, researchers found a 10 percent increase in total hemoglobin mass, which correlates strongly to aerobic capacity. Just as with the French study, researchers found that none of the 10 athletes’ profiles would have been flagged as abnormal by the software analysis—it would have taken expert human review to catch, a point that the researchers made in their conclusion. The study met the other standards WADA says the French study missed: It used passport guidelines and was published in a peer-reviewed journal (the European Journal of Applied Physiology). The publication date? September, 2011.--------- yes the ABP can be beaten easily

Easily? A study about the effects of micro dosing EPO led by the doctor who CREATED EPO testing = easy?

Lol. Idiot. Never mind the ABP parameters have changed significantly since 2011.


Now point to a study that shows micro dosing to fool ABP AND STILL PASS ANY TARGET TESTING.


You can't. All of the studies are meant to fall under the ABP radar and AVOID target testing. WE ALL KNOW FLOYD AND MANNY WERE SUBJECTED TO TARGET TESTING (CIR for instance) AND WERE CHARGED ACCORDINGLY.


What you two numbnuts don't get is ABP is the most effective testing strategy available.

1. WADA is able to monitor a large pool of athletes and EFFECTIVELY target su****ious profiles.

2. ABP allows for doping violations
without finding dope.


Edit:

****wait a minute. I thought you guys said Floyd uses an IV to mask drugs? Why would he do that since he allegedly consulted with Memo to microdose at undetectable levels?



Bwhahahaha. As Travestny would say LOG THE **** OFF!

[Vadrigar.]

Someone linked a study buried in this long ass thread that HGH improves hand eye coordination. To the guy that posted it can you repost it here? thanks.

[ADP02]

DoSumptin AKA DoNothing AKA Travestyny's ALT AKA DUCK



You want something more recent than 2011? How about Dr Catlin's interview in 2015 after May?


Dr Catlin August 5, 2015 / 7:41 PM / 3 years ago

The ABP is a useful additional tool, but it has limitations too, said Catlin, whose lab helped create many of the tests currently used to detect performance-enhancing drugs. An individual’s hemoglobin levels can vary from day to day. Low hemoglobin could be due to anemia or some other condition. If that were the baseline, a bounce back to normal could look su****ious if the test is not used carefully.

To avoid incorporating normal shifts into the su****ious category the level constituting a positive test has to be set so high that there is room underneath to avoid detection.

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[travestyny]

DoSumptin AKA DoNothing AKA Travestyny's ALT AKA DUCK



You want something more recent than 2011? How about Dr Catlin's interview in 2015 after May?


Dr Catlin August 5, 2015 / 7:41 PM / 3 years ago






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Shut up, dummy. Your conspiracy theory was destroyed not only by a debate that you lost 4-0, but by common sense.

You said thresholds are not a factor for Floyd but that is not an accurate statement.
EPO, testosterone (T/E) ratios are a few naturally produced substances in humans in which Floyd could have been trying to hide. We know of low T/E ratios, rumors of positive results and the IV scandal.

So if GC/MS or whatever measures EPO values below a threshold, as an example, due to a 6 hour delay and drinking fluids plus an IV that diluted the urine sample just enough.
Its NOT being biased. that is a big deal.


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Did you learn if EPO is a threshold substance yet?

PATHETIC

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DUCKY has been doing the QUACK long time!



175+ pages of QUACKING!!!!






PROVES that you LIED and CHEATED!!!!











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[travestyny]

[SIZE="4"]DUCKY has been doing the QUACK long time!

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Says the guy who ducked his own challenge then ducked a rematch after crying for 1.5 years



How did it feel to back down from your own challenge, bltch

[ADP02]

KEEP Pretending!!!




175+ pages of DUCKING by the QUACK artist!

[travestyny]

[SIZE="6"]KEEP Pretending!!!

LIKE YOU KEEP PRETENDING THAT YOUR MAYWEATHER EPO CONSPIRACY THEORY WASN'T DESTROYED

In the case of Floyd, we aren't talking about threshold substances as far as I know.

You said thresholds are not a factor for Floyd but that is not an accurate statement.
EPO, testosterone (T/E) ratios are a few naturally produced substances in humans in which Floyd could have been trying to hide. We know of low T/E ratios, rumors of positive results and the IV scandal.

So if GC/MS or whatever measures EPO values below a threshold, as an example, due to a 6 hour delay and drinking fluids plus an IV that diluted the urine sample just enough.
Its NOT being biased. that is a big deal.


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b) I already showed you that its possible that the SG can go back up before the concentration of the PED comes back up. In threshold substances, this is important!!!

b) Threshold substances, there can be traces but the delay and dilution will drive down the numbers

Similar with EPO .... they may have a su****ious result but still state it as negative. You said that if there is any EPO, it will be flagged as positive. EPO like I said and now you know, its produced naturally in the body.

You can dilute by way of an IV yet pass the sg test and still produce a count that is below the threshold allowed for certain substances.

COURT OF ARBITRATION FOR SPORT:

rEPO is not a “threshold substance”

4-0!!!!!!

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GAME OVER.