Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Lester Tutor]

"A biological or psychological state which is within the range of normal human variation is not a medical condition."

now, that statement above presents a very complex situation as far as the iv scandal is concerned...

was floyd in any form or manner in a medical condition to warrant giving him an iv infusion? more than the allowed volume? was it an emergency case - very severe dehydration?

lol.

You don't even know what you're contextualizing. Try reading the earlier posts...

''medical questionaire.'' Asking if Floyd has a medical condition.

You guys are dorks.

The fact that Koncz is Pac's advisor and signing it... simplest form on the planet...as if Pac has never filled out a NSAC form.... then as the world beats on Top Rank's dumb excuses Koncz takes the blame.

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of dorks.

[Slip Stream]

And two TE ratios well below 1 while having free testosterone at the high end of normal, well beyond normal for a man his age FYI.

You are acting like there is only one line of evidence that Floyd has been on PEDs. There are multiple.

High end of "normal", normal as generously defined for an athlete in their 20s not late 30s, free testosterone. Mind you the excessive training of boxing should lower free testosterone not raise it.

Two TE ratio tests well below 1. Indicating the use of endogenous epitestosterone to hide the presence of endogenous testosterone.

Association with known steroid chemist and test beating expert Memo Heredia.

Association with known steroid clinic owner and steroid expert Don Hale aka Mayweathers "White Daddy".

Oh and taking an IV right before a PED test.

Here's what I'm not going to do, act like a lab technician and talk **** when it ultimately comes to someone else's life. There very well may be multiple avenues that incriminate Floyd but in lieu of a fair hearing in a responsible venue, and not on a internet boxing site, I'm going to reserve judgement. That isn't unreasonable.

Based on the level of criticism Floyd received before these "allegations" came out, I never once thought for a second there would be a pause before the conviction, and there hasn't been.

To go back to planet Earth again, Manny lost, case closed.....

[deanrw]

LOL Damn, the Floyd hate is running deep on this one. Travis Gotti is making Bloodboxing look like a softie hahaha

[ADP02]

This was a pretty important line in your post. To be real with you, I am concerned, but not because he outpointed a pathetically over matched Pacquiao. I'm concerned about doping because the damage people do when their philosophy is to win at all costs. If Mayweather cheated he'll deserve an asterisk by his record like Bonds and others. But if he didn't, and this IV thing is the last refuge of disgruntled fans then I don't know what's worse, the crime or the accusation?

Maybe Manny didn't dope when he was flying up weight classes whilst simultaneously retaining his speed and power, or maybe he did? If Manny can be questioned, so can Floyd, but I just hope the questions aren't a convenient way to finally get a w against Mayweather.

This is not about a win. You can't even get a win. Its a non-win situation. In fact, Floyd fans are bringing this up more than Manny fans. Even when we discuss what occurred on May 1st, Floyd fans deflect by saying that all Manny fans want is a win. That is not the case and would not happen either way.

So stop reverting back to the fight because that is another topic and another thread. If you want to talk about that in another thread, man I'm all game but AGAIN, this is a thread that deals with Floyd's IV scandal. Unless you are just trying to deflect like every other Floyd fan likes to do.

As for you Floyd fans hating the accusations. Again, let me know how many Floyd fans said that since 2009 when this topic came up by Floyd fans concerning Manny. Remember, with no IVs, no probable positive tests, no Memo being consulted .......





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[ADP02]

lol.

medical condition: A disease, illness or injury; any physiologic, mental or psychological condition or disorder (e.g., orthopaedic; visual, speech or hearing impairments; cerebral palsy; epilepsy; muscular dystrophy; multiple sclerosis; cancer; coronary artery disease; diabetes; mental ******ation; emotional or mental illness; specific learning disabilities; HIV disease; TB; drug addiction; alcoholism). A biological or psychological state which is within the range of normal human variation is not a medical condition.

The other day, I was explaining what "contributed to" meant and now I need to explain "medical condition".

Look, tell me this. If Floyd had a severe enough medical condition (oops, I said the words) that required medical assistance and an IV had to be used to inject a substance into Floyd, do you not think that the NSAC wants to know about all that being that it occurred so close to the fight?

Secondly, there is another section that brings up injections. So there are 2 sections on the form that Floyd had to divulge to NSAC but did not.


As for your definition, it appears that you are confused and thinking about chronic medical conditions(or illness) but what Floyd supposedly had was an acute medical condition. Furthermore, if you agree with me that Floyd did NOT have a medical condition then you are agreeing with me that he never required an IV in the first place!!! Its your call.

"A biological or psychological state which is within the range of normal human variation is not a medical condition"

"Acute care is a branch of secondary health care where a patient receives active but short-term treatment for a severe injury or episode of illness, an urgent medical condition, or during recovery from surgery.[1][2] In medical terms, care for acute health conditions is the opposite from chronic care, or longer term care"





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[ADP02]

"A biological or psychological state which is within the range of normal human variation is not a medical condition."

now, that statement above presents a very complex situation as far as the iv scandal is concerned...

was floyd in any form or manner in a medical condition to warrant giving him an iv infusion? more than the allowed volume? was it an emergency case - very severe dehydration?

I just posted something similar. They are caught in a bind now. If it was within "normal human variations" then Floyd never required an IV.

[Slip Stream]

This is not about a win. You can't even get a win. Its a non-win situation. In fact, Floyd fans are bringing this up more than Manny fans. Even when we discuss what occurred on May 1st, Floyd fans deflect by saying that all Manny fans want is a win. That is not the case and would not happen either way.

So stop reverting back to the fight because that is another topic and another thread. If you want to talk about that in another thread, man I'm all game but AGAIN, this is a thread that deals with Floyd's IV scandal. Unless you are just trying to deflect like every other Floyd fan likes to do.

As for you Floyd fans hating the accusations. Again, let me know how many Floyd fans said that since 2009 when this topic came up by Floyd fans concerning Manny. Remember, with no IVs, no probable positive tests, no Memo being consulted .......

Actually, again, no this isn't another topic, and yes this is absolutely about a win. Which actually equals out to a protracted effort attempting to discredit Floyd Mayweather by whatever means possible. There's nothing to "deflect" except a mindless herd of butt hurt Pac fans that are themselves trying to deflect away from the fact that their "god' looked all too human.

I understand this feels like some manner of vindication to Pac fans that were wounded by allegations leveled at him in 2009. I remember so well how Manny's fans fought tooth and nail to say Manny's skills were from above instead of a bottle. Now in this final moment, after Manny was schooled come the crumbs of "validation" aka a serious concern about Floyd supposidly doping. Okay.

The thing is, when people criticize a guy no matter what he does, so called "legitimate concerns" are lost in the maelstrom. I just have a hard time believing a guy like Floyd would risk everything roiding up to fight My Little Pony. A guy knocked cold by a guy Mayweather could have beat with his eyes closed.

[tangalog2200]

lol.

You don't even know what you're contextualizing. Try reading the earlier posts...

''medical questionaire.'' Asking if Floyd has a medical condition.

You guys are dorks.

The fact that Koncz is Pac's advisor and signing it... simplest form on the planet...as if Pac has never filled out a NSAC form.... then as the world beats on Top Rank's dumb excuses Koncz takes the blame.

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of dorks.

the fact that you mentioned koncz and did not answer my questions show how weak your position is regarding this thread topic....

keep on weaving...

[tangalog2200]

Actually, again, no this isn't another topic, and yes this is absolutely about a win. Which actually equals out to a protracted effort attempting to discredit Floyd Mayweather by whatever means possible. There's nothing to "deflect" except a mindless herd of butt hurt Pac fans that are themselves trying to deflect away from the fact that their "god' looked all too human.

I understand this feels like some manner of vindication to Pac fans that were wounded by allegations leveled at him in 2009. I remember so well how Manny's fans fought tooth and nail to say Manny's skills were from above instead of a bottle. Now in this final moment, after Manny was schooled come the crumbs of "validation" aka a serious concern about Floyd supposidly doping. Okay.

The thing is, when people criticize a guy no matter what he does, so called "legitimate concerns" are lost in the maelstrom. I just have a hard time believing a guy like Floyd would risk everything roiding up to fight My Little Pony. A guy knocked cold by a guy Mayweather could have beat with his eyes closed.

"Actually, again, no this isn't another topic, and yes this is absolutely about a win."


simply put, the iv scandal is really about cheating...

so do you mean cheating to win?

[tangalog2200]

This thread is to keep the incessant crying by Pacquiao fans from spilling all over the front page like it has in the past.

the ivy scandal...it is now about fans? keep on weaving...