Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

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[Zaroku]

No problem.

There was a point when it looked to me, like all you were contributing was mockery and sarcasm and so I had to just scroll through your posts.

All is a bit 'all inclusive'.
There are many posts where I have strongly stated my beliefs.

If these threads cause or influence how things in boxing are done. It will be great. We never know what is or isn't possible.

I have stated that I wish things were always fair for each fighter.

Too many special interest groups, promoters, state athletic commissions, broadcasting companies, etc. sounds like Washington DC.

Lots of good fights tonight. Enjoy everybody.

Best regards,
Zaroku

[Zaroku]

I posted a picture of Victor Conte because some blokes started references Barry Bonds. Lol. I have stated more than a 100 times, literally, the nature and conflicts of interest between HBO, Conte, Hauser, and Top Rank. You can't put puzzle those things because you focus on details with referencing.

You also just stated that Manny gave his excuse of avoiding WADA style testing because of a "experience before the Morales fight." That's completely false and misleading. Remember this once. Pacquiao is on record for saying that the reason he lost to Morales was because he gave blood close to the fight.

Who needs to cover up anything? Floyd did nothing wrong. The only thing Floyd would have done wrong was to take 50ml of fluid for rehydration. Too small amount!

SugarKaine,
Hope things are going well with your project. Can you give an approximate release date?

Tonight lots of boxing to watch.

Best regards,
Zaroku

[Lester Tutor]

Lol. Surreal. The weird side of youtube delivers a Pac nightmare. We could just use that audio track for Marquez 4. Jim Lampley could learn some things. Toradol is the boogieman.

[ADP02]

I posted a picture of Victor Conte because some blokes started references Barry Bonds. Lol. I have stated more than a 100 times, literally, the nature and conflicts of interest between HBO, Conte, Hauser, and Top Rank. You can't put puzzle those things because you focus on details with referencing.

You also just stated that Manny gave his excuse of avoiding WADA style testing because of a "experience before the Morales fight." That's completely false and misleading. Remember this once. Pacquiao is on record for saying that the reason he lost to Morales was because he gave blood close to the fight.

Who needs to cover up anything? Floyd did nothing wrong. The only thing Floyd would have done wrong was to take 50ml of fluid for rehydration. Too small amount!

So you were trying to help me out and make everyone aware who Floyd/Ariza/Memo/Conte were and how they were at one time or another tied up and that Memo/Conte had dealings with other PED users. Cool! Thanks for helping those that were not aware of that.

Was that not what I said about Manny? Didn't like the fact that he had to give blood close to the fight because of that incident? Now you need to remember that Floyd had not given blood in about 10 days. Whooa!!!


Sorry but you are not getting it because you are blinded by your hero Floyd. The excuses that Ellerbe and Floyd gave for requiring an IV do NOT add up. Its as simple as that. Like I said above, Floyd did not give blood for 10 days. So how can that be a factor? Once you begin with that lame excuse and realize that it is incorrect, the rest will follow. They also said giving urine contributed to the dehydration. Really Floyd? Really Floyd fans?

Just open your eyes ......

[radioraheem]

So you were trying to help me out and make everyone aware who Floyd/Ariza/Memo/Conte were and how they were at one time or another tied up and that Memo/Conte had dealings with other PED users. Cool! Thanks for helping those that were not aware of that.

Was that not what I said about Manny? Didn't like the fact that he had to give blood close to the fight because of that incident? Now you need to remember that Floyd had not given blood in about 10 days. Whooa!!!


Sorry but you are not getting it because you are blinded by your hero Floyd. The excuses that Ellerbe and Floyd gave for requiring an IV do NOT add up. Its as simple as that. Like I said above, Floyd did not give blood for 10 days. So how can that be a factor? Once you begin with that lame excuse and realize that it is incorrect, the rest will follow. They also said giving urine contributed to the dehydration. Really Floyd? Really Floyd fans?

Just open your eyes ......

According to conspiracy theorists like you it doesn't add up. Floyd's primary reason wasn't that giving blood was a factor. His first response was that his urine was very dark (indicating dehydration without specifically saying it). Then he mentioned how it was probably due to overworking. Ellerbe also mirrored this response. But you conveniently leave this out like the fake conspiracy theorist you are.

And the irony about this is that the majority of professional boxers rehydrate via IV after the weigh-in. Yet you don't seem to have any conspiracy theories about this fact and practice.

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According to conspiracy theorists like you it doesn't add up. Floyd's primary reason wasn't that giving blood was a factor. His first response was that his urine was very dark (indicating dehydration without specifically saying it). Then he mentioned how it was probably due to overworking. Ellerbe also mirrored this response. But you conveniently leave this out like the fake conspiracy theorist you are.

And the irony about this is that the majority of professional boxers rehydrate via IV after the weigh-in. Yet you don't seem to have any conspiracy theories about this fact and practice.

Oh, did you read the definition of "Contributed to" and now have to change your story and want to put a new spin to this? Got it.


As for your other comment lets see this huge list of boxers who also volunteered to follow USADA testing and their rules!!!

Read the below definition from USADA. Floyd did NOT meet the criteria but since Floyd is special and they are the ones who are paying USADA, they used the TUE loophole in which very few athletes have gotten. Why? Again, because Floyd is special!!! read below.



USADA (Travis Tygart) said:
"What's important to remember is the WADA list is the list of prohibited substances. So, those are what most people consider the drugs, the performance enhancing drugs, but it's also the prohibited substance and methods. And there are certain methods, like an IV infusion that you just mentioned, or gene doping or autologous or ****logous blood transfusion, where you take someone else's blood in advance of a bout and it gives you oxygen carrying capacity and recovery capacity and all sorts of benefits. It would be, by the way, game changing benefits.

So, the IVs are allowed under certain circumstances under the WADA prohibited list. You know, if you're in the hospital, clinic, having surgery."


"The purpose ...... I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask ........."





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[hardvibes]

Any important bouts involving VADA instead of USADA recently?
YES.

I wonder why.........
mmmmmmmhhhhhh......

Oh, did you read the definition of "Contributed to" and now have to change your story and want to put a new spin to this? Got it.


As for your other comment lets see this huge list of boxers who also volunteered to follow USADA testing and their rules!!!

Read the below definition from USADA. Floyd did NOT meet the criteria but since Floyd is special and they are the ones who are paying USADA, they used the TUE loophole in which very few athletes have gotten. Why? Again, because Floyd is special!!! read below.



USADA (Travis Tygart) said:
"What's important to remember is the WADA list is the list of prohibited substances. So, those are what most people consider the drugs, the performance enhancing drugs, but it's also the prohibited substance and methods. And there are certain methods, like an IV infusion that you just mentioned, or gene doping or autologous or ****logous blood transfusion, where you take someone else's blood in advance of a bout and it gives you oxygen carrying capacity and recovery capacity and all sorts of benefits. It would be, by the way, game changing benefits.

So, the IVs are allowed under certain circumstances under the WADA prohibited list. You know, if you're in the hospital, clinic, having surgery."


"The purpose ...... I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask ........."





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Boom. There's no arguing.


But I can predict floyd fanboys starting all over again (with ****** and irrelevant stuff). Like a dog chasing its tail

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If only Floyd wasn't randomly tested throughout his training camp this IV "scandal" could have finally been that last smoking gun that would have finally erased Manny's loss to Floyd, more importantly it would've erased the pain from the minds of Manny's fans, that moronically anointed him the Mayweather killer.

Yup, just like that slow-mo tape of the fight demonstrated why a "one armed" fighter thought he won in the ring but remembered during the press conference how hurt he was....

[hardvibes]

[If only blabla...]

(Before I start, click the link in my signature. It has all the answers you need. Don't come back until you're done with it. Enjoy.)

Too bad that the truth always comes to the surface. It takes time, but it always comes out.
A lie has wings and the truth has feet.
That’s why a lie can fly all over town and get there first.
The truth moves slowly, but when it arrives, it can stand on its own.

Floyd fans, please....don't talk like you're unaware of all the scandals out there. You would just embarrass yourself.

Some floyd fans say "it's over, Usada and Nsac justified everything, case closed".
Are you serious or just blindly trying to win your little argument on the internet without even looking at the FACTS?
Usada and Nsac are on the same boat. They will certainly not point the gun at their head.

There are still unanswered questions by USADA

Again, Hauser's response to USADA's pdf:

USADA’s response is long on verbiage and short on documented facts. I intend to write another longform article on this subject at some point in the future. For now, I note the following:

(1) The USADA statement goes to great lengths to discredit Victor Conte, attacking him on three separate occasions for past misdeeds (which I referenced in “Can Boxing Trust USADA?”). USADA also states that I “cherry picked Jeff Novitzky’s response to questions posed to him by Mr. Rogan regarding Victor Conte.”

Mr. Novitzky’s remarks came in an interview conducted by Joe Rogan last month (The Joe Rogan Experience #685). In that interview, Mr. Rogan and Mr. Novitzky also discussed IVs. Let’s pick a whole barrel of cherries:

Joe Rogan: “What’s the reason why they can’t use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?”

Jeff Novitzsky: “That’s the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you’ve taken an IV bag. That’s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there’s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, it’s much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you’re mildly dehydrated. There’s two things that they show consistently. Number one, it’s obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you’re working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you’re going to feel a whole lot better when you’re exerting yourself.”

“Now that’s mild dehydration,” Novitzky added. As for extreme dehydration, Novitzky suggested, “You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you’re fighting.”

If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure that’s on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s “Prohibited Substances and Methods List”.

(2) Most of the public attention regarding “Can Boxing Trust USADA?” has focussed on the IV that was administered to Floyd Mayweather one day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao. However, the article also references the two testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results regarding Mr. Mayweather that were made available to this writer. It would be instructive if Mr. Mayweather granted a waiver to USADA allowing it to release the testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results for each urine test administered to him by USADA for each of his fights beginning with Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley up to and including Mayweather vs. Andre Berto.

(3) The issues involved here go far beyond Floyd Mayweather. In that regard, I note that USADA’s contention that it advised the New York State Athletic Commission on October 17, 2012, concerning Erik Morales testing positive for Clenbuterol is rebutted by the statement of Laz Benitez (a spokesperson for the New York State Department of State, which oversees the NYSAC). On August 10, 2015, Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”

And:

On his medical form, Floyd wrote that he wasn't suffering from a serious medical condition such as "severe dehydration", and didn't receive any IV injections. There's no reason for him to exclude these important details unless, of course, he was using the IVs for a purpose other than "rehydration". At least Pacquiao's medical form listed the NSAIDs he was taking that hinted towards a pre-fight injury. Floyd, oddly enough, didn't seem to want anyone knowing that he took an excess of 750 ml of saline (roughly 15 times the WADA limit) the day before the fight





(credit to IR0NFIST)