Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Spoon23]

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[PAC-BOY]

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[hardvibes]

Do you want to blame us because we see something fishy?

We, boxing fans, youtubers, professionals, media.....all want to know the TRUTH.
We have facts (I can already see floyd fans laughing...well guys, re-read the entire thread and news) and we have something called common sense.
And there are still unanswered questions by USADA.


Floyd fans..... well, they exaggerate, insult, reply with other questions...most of the time so pointless that have nothing to do with the IV "gate"


Do you see the big difference here?

[Lester Tutor]

if i remember it right Pac gave blood sample 3 days before his fight with morales, whats your point?

i answered your question.

enought of your deflection and answer those i asked you

Mr i will educate you i am a boxing fan not a floyd fans sir

You mean if you remember it ''correctly.'' So you're saying ''Pac gave blood sample'' 3 days before his fight, when it was ESPN that got Pac to say that he drew blood on the day of the fight...

You answered what question? You will educate me? No kid, I'm sorry you can't, and you didn't even answer my question regarding Loma. That was the bait, because you claim that you are a boxing fan. Son, go watch tennis.

[thedarkness]

So far the conspiracy to cope with Pac's failure involves. Floyd, Haymon, PBC, USADA, NSAC, the judges, the referees, the manufacturer of weigh-in equipment, Las Vegas emergency services, the MGM Grand, Showtime Sports, CBS, the medical staff who fill IV bags and the medical supplies company that manufactures them. Who else am I missing?

Your mom who ****** pac's **** the night before the fight, thats who you missed

[bw51]

For blood, not for URINE.

Think of it like this. If it was so easy to just take saline and multivitamins to mask a urine sample, you don't even need an IV to do that. You can just simply drink down a few glasses and magically the PEDs are gone.

hi Radioraheem,
are you the same guy who report on boxing or a poser using his name?
i logged onto the forum to address your question that flushing out the system does not work for urine.

let me start off by saying that your logic process if boldly false.

by stating that urine samples cannot be flushed, and he passed the test, then there is no reason to assume his guilt. IF true, this is based on the assumption that he was using hormones that are traceable in urine. But as we saw with Lance armstrong, his PED of choice which propelled him to numerous titles, was EPO. Lance armstrong injected EPO into his blood and was able to beat the blood test irregardless of what his urine results. The point is, in order to make the assumption that he is clean from PEDs, you would have to know if Mayweather was or was not using EPO at any given time, which you simply do not.

secondly, to directly address the question about whether or not urine sample can be flushed, there is research to suggest yes and no on this point. Neither you or anyone on this board is qualified to release a verdict on this very subject.

i quote the below:

Nathan Jendrick, fitness writer, in his 2006 book titled Dunks, Doubles, Doping: How Steroids Are Killing American Athletics, wrote the following:
"The following are methods that are currently used, were used at some point in history, or can supposedly be used to beat steroid tests in athletics...

Diuretics [5] and Perma Cleanse [12]. Athletes often take diuretics in an effort to cleanse their system before having to provide a sample. These can work tremendously well... One mail-order system that is supposedly undetectable as a diuretic or in any lab test but uses the same means to evade a positive test - detoxification - is Perma Cleanse... A classic method of evading positive drug tests is to couple the use of natural herb diuretics such as dandelion root, uva ursi, and caffeine with fasting."


sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002706


In reference to the above quote that diuretics are known to dilute urine samples, Vitamin C is one of the well known natural diuretics which taken in abundance flushes out the system over a given period of time. Unfortunately, in the case of mayweather, we do not know how many IV injections mayweather has actually taken but only what was reported.

However, on the website you have confused conspiracy theorists for arguing with baseless accusation, but yet the amounting evidence which is stacking begs for certain questions to be answered. For dehydration, was an IV injection of vitamin C necessary with saline? I simply do not know the answer to the question as Vitamin C has many other health benefits outside of making you piss.

armstrong was accused of taking small dosages of hormones that give you a small edge but not enough to trigger a positive test result in URINE. THis coupled with a natural diuretic may be used to dilute the urine sample.

in consideration of the fact that mayweathers undeniable, irrefutable low T/E ratios were published, along with the fact he was caught using known cheating methods, it is only fair that he be accused. this does not even include the contract with pac, how usada is incentivized, and all the other arguments pointing in the direction of su****ion. You are not in a position to defend him bc usada and mayweather has brought this upon themselves.

lastly, the UFC has notified fighters that when their contract with USADA goes live, they will no longer be able to US an IV. THE reason for this is to prevent PED masking in the sport. At this point, we do not know if some fighters who genuinely cut weight are using it for rehydration or some are using it for PED masking but as per WADA protocol, it is illegal with strict paremeters. Mayweaterh did not meet these parameters as per the WADA rulebook. Then the question deserves to be asked, will USADA grant retroctive TUE exemption to all the MMA fighers who they are contracted to serve?

there needs to be a level playing field for all, no exceptions.

I look forward to your response

[bw51]

FIRST WE HAVE THIS
“He cannot have it done at his house and [USADA] can’t authorize it.... I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic-use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada,?Bennett said. “USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered.

“If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the state of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken.?br />
Bennett and Aguilar said despite USADA’s involvement in 45 boxing cards and their supervision of the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s anti-doping system, the agency has botched communication on three occasions.

The most recent, Bennett said, came last week when UFC heavyweight Frank Mir had a TUE approved by USADA for the stimulant Adderall.

“They had no business authorizing that TUE, and we said it’s unacceptable, that he had to fill out our application and go through our doctor,?Bennett said. “[Mir] was told he had to stop taking the stimulant immediately.?br />
Bennett said when he explained the situation to Mir at his weigh-in last week the fighter expressed confusion about how the process works.


“They’re confusing the fighters. I have spoken to Travis several times. The bottom line is that we need to ensure that the fighters are educated about the process. By approving TUEs in the state of Nevada, they are going to confuse the fighters and it is quite evident Mr. Mir was confused,?Bennett said.

“After three incidents here, it’s hard to call this an anomaly,?Bennett said. “They need to understand they need to honor the rules of Nevada, or their work will not be recognized in Nevada.?br />

Jeff Novitzky, UFC's vice president of Athlete Performance and Health, granted Mir a TUE for Adderall -- essentially a drug that helps one focus -- on behalf of USADA, but it was denied in the final hour by Bennett and NSAC because "there was not enough time."

A fighter must "fill out our paperwork and provide us with documentation from their doctors," Bennett said.



THEN WE HAVE THIS
" Bennett said he has no concerns Mayweather was working to mask drug use, saying the boxer " has always been an advocate of drug testing and has set a fine example for all fighters".





accordiing to how NSAC handled the UFC case, if they operated with the same standard, mayweather's retroactive TUE should have been denied, even if 19 days later.

[ADP02]

hi Radioraheem,
are you the same guy who report on boxing or a poser using his name?
i logged onto the forum to address your question that flushing out the system does not work for urine.

let me start off by saying that your logic process if boldly false.

by stating that urine samples cannot be flushed, and he passed the test, then there is no reason to assume his guilt. IF true, this is based on the assumption that he was using hormones that are traceable in urine. But as we saw with Lance armstrong, his PED of choice which propelled him to numerous titles, was EPO. Lance armstrong injected EPO into his blood and was able to beat the blood test irregardless of what his urine results. The point is, in order to make the assumption that he is clean from PEDs, you would have to know if Mayweather was or was not using EPO at any given time, which you simply do not.

secondly, to directly address the question about whether or not urine sample can be flushed, there is research to suggest yes and no on this point. Neither you or anyone on this board is qualified to release a verdict on this very subject.

Here is a recent comment in relation to this:

Joe Rogan: [B]*Whats the reason why they cant use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?B]

Jeff Novitzsky: ;Thats the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you;ve taken an IV bag. That;s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there;s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, its much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you;re mildly dehydrated. Theres two things that they show consistently. Number one, its obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel youre working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day youre going to feel a whole lot better when youre exerting yourself.;

Now thats mild dehydration; Novitzky added. As for extreme dehydration, Novitzky suggested, ;You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you;re fighting;

If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure thats on the World Anti-Doping Agency;s ;Prohibited Substances and Methods List;.

(2) Most of the public attention regarding ;Can Boxing Trust USADA?; has focussed on the IV that was administered to Floyd Mayweather one day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao. However, the article also references the two testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results regarding Mr.




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[bw51]

Here is a recent comment in relation to this:

Joe Rogan: [B]*Whats the reason why they cant use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?B]

Jeff Novitzsky: ;Thats the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you;ve taken an IV bag. That;s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there;s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, its much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you;re mildly dehydrated. Theres two things that they show consistently. Number one, its obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel youre working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day youre going to feel a whole lot better when youre exerting yourself.;

Now thats mild dehydration; Novitzky added. As for extreme dehydration, Novitzky suggested, ;You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you;re fighting;

If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure thats on the World Anti-Doping Agency;s ;Prohibited Substances and Methods List;.

(2) Most of the public attention regarding ;Can Boxing Trust USADA?; has focussed on the IV that was administered to Floyd Mayweather one day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao. However, the article also references the two testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results regarding Mr.




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yeah i saw this already but any further research on this topic? athletes are always trying to find ways to beat tests, if they found new methods, i doubt they would post it no the internet however

[GTTofAK]

For blood, not for URINE.

Think of it like this. If it was so easy to just take saline and multivitamins to mask a urine sample, you don't even need an IV to do that. You can just simply drink down a few glasses and magically the PEDs are gone.

You are confusing drug testing with steroid testing. It is very possible to dilute your free testosterone in your urine with IV treatment to get it into normal range. That is the reason a steroid test tests for both free testosterone and T/E ratio. A urine test can detect higher than normal free testosterone but can be beaten by dilution of the sample. However dilution cannot beat T/E ratio. That can only be beaten by taking epitestosterone.

When you get someone taking an IV right before a test as well as having a T/E ratio below 1 that means cheater.