True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[Johnwoo8686]

down 3-1 in rounds and started getting on a roll after Judah got frustrated that he was getting no fairness from the ref due to the blatant knock down not being called, is in no way comparable to being up to 9 points down going into the championship rounds.

Where does Judah ever complain about not getting enough credit for the knockdown? If there wasn't a slow motion repay you guys wouldn't have even known if that was an actual knockdown. You're making things up for one and second of all I specifically said Floyd has enough talent and skill to never let anyone beat him up for 9 rounds the way Nunn beat up Toney. There's nothing cool about getting your butt kicked for 9 rounds.

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Clearly you don't know Floyd as well as you think. Floyd was down on the cards against Judah and made the necessary adjustments. Floyd fights intelligently enough to not be down on the cards in most fights however. I've seen James Toney let several winnable fights slip from him.

yes he was down after 4 rounds which is a very small amount of a fight just like he was down after 5 rounds against maidana. he was never down late in a fight and needed a ko to win(which he didn't score against judah or maidana)

i would say he intelligently picks opponents and relies on his reputation to get the benefit of the doubt from judges in rounds where not much happens(floyd automatically wins no matter who lands the better punches) a slow pace means floyd is in control for some reason. he doesn't even have to do anything.

if he had fought other great boxers or great aggressive fighters(before they became tame as is his strategy) he probably would have been in that situation at some point. would he have been able to do anything about it? probably not seeing as he fought the last couple rounds against castillo when a loss seemed very possible he just hoped the cards would bail him out instead of going for it. he's been babied his entire career and doesn't have that kind of fight in him. some guys were just too dangerous for him at the time so instead of putting himself in harm's way he sat it out and waited for things to cool down.

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Where does Judah ever complain about not getting enough credit for the knockdown? If there wasn't a slow motion repay you guys wouldn't have even known if that was an actual knockdown. You're making things up for one and second of all I specifically said Floyd has enough talent and skill to never let anyone beat him up for 9 rounds the way Nunn beat up Toney. There's nothing cool about getting your butt kicked for 9 rounds.

floyd has enough smarts not to get in the ring with a fighter like nunn.

[b00g13man]

i don't know but i know if floyd was ever down in a fight like that he would never be able to come back and win it like toney did. he would keep potshotting and pray for the robbery(which would almost certainly come given his status) toney didn't have that cushy status so he went for the ko instead of waiting 5 years for nunn to be more docile and tame the floyd way.

You know this how exactly? I think I've seen in it all now. A fighter getting discredited for never really having to come back from behind because he's too good to have ever been that far behind in the first instance.

[Johnwoo8686]

yes he was down after 4 rounds which is a very small amount of a fight just like he was down after 5 rounds against maidana. he was never down late in a fight and needed a ko to win(which he didn't score against judah or maidana)

i would say he intelligently picks opponents and relies on his reputation to get the benefit of the doubt from judges in rounds where not much happens(floyd automatically wins no matter who lands the better punches) a slow pace means floyd is in control for some reason. he doesn't even have to do anything.

if he had fought other great boxers or great aggressive fighters(before they became tame as is his strategy) he probably would have been in that situation at some point. would he have been able to do anything about it? probably not seeing as he fought the last couple rounds against castillo when a loss seemed very possible he just hoped the cards would bail him out instead of going for it. he's been babied his entire career and doesn't have that kind of fight in him. some guys were just too dangerous for him at the time so instead of putting himself in harm's way he sat it out and waited for things to cool down.

All bull****. Floyd landed more punches in round 6 of the Pacquiao fight and Manny still won the round on all three of the scorecards because he landed the harder shots. I've seen every Floyd fight and watched some several times. He is superior to James Toney, has better conditioning, better control of range, and far superior footwork. Floyd has never had his butt kicked for 9 rounds because he has the talent to not let that happen.

Floyd has fought many aggressive fighters and has always had a way of taming their aggression and forcing them to fight his fight. Manny Pacquiao has ALWAYS lowered his punch output when faced with a good counter puncher. Nothing in Manny's career indicates he would have ever beaten Floyd. Freddie Roach's comments make it seem as if Manny's team waited for Floyd to get old and not vice versa. He's even quoted as saying Floyd would have beaten Manny five years ago and Manny had a better chance of beating Floyd in 2015 as opposed to 2010 because of Floyd's age. Remember it was Pacquiao's team who walked away from the initial negotiations in 2010 only to agree to Floyd's demands in 2015. We would have seen this fight much earlier if Manny hadn't been such a diva.

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You know this how exactly? I think I've seen in it all now. A fighter getting discredited for never really having to come back from behind because he's too good to have ever been that far behind in the first instance.

we saw in the castillo fight how he just withered away and should have lost the fight. that's the only evidence i have. its a small sample size but where's your evidence? herp derp let me guess you don't have any what a shocker!

[Pac=Duran]

All bull****. Floyd landed more punches in round 6 of the Pacquiao fight and Manny still won the round on all three of the scorecards because he landed the harder shots. I've seen every Floyd fight and watched some several times. He is superior to James Toney, has better conditioning, better control of range, and far superior footwork. Floyd has never had his butt kicked for 9 rounds because he has the talent to not let that happen.

Floyd has fought many aggressive fighters and has always had a way of taming their aggression and forcing them to fight his fight. Manny Pacquiao has ALWAYS lowered his punch output when faced with a good counter puncher. Nothing in Manny's career indicates he would have ever beaten Floyd. Freddie Roach's comments make it seem as if Manny's team waited for Floyd to get old and not vice versa. He's even quoted as saying Floyd would have beaten Manny five years ago and Manny had a better chance of beating Floyd in 2015 as opposed to 2010 because of Floyd's age. Remember it was Pacquiao's team who walked away from the initial negotiations in 2010 only to agree to Floyd's demands in 2015. We would have seen this fight much earlier if Manny hadn't been such a diva.

Hahaha ****ing boolshlt yo. Floyd's vagina got in the way of the fight earlier. Just like when he called out Williams Martinez winner then ran away, just like he ran away from Winky Wright negotiations, and prime Cotto remember? "He lives in Puerto Rico doe! Too far away!". Please justify fighting Sharamba Mitchell instead of Kosta Tzyu and fighting Baldomir instead of Margarito i'm waiting.

[b00g13man]

we saw in the castillo fight how he just withered away and should have lost the fight. that's the only evidence i have. its a small sample size but where's your evidence? herp derp let me guess you don't have any what a shocker!

"Withering" away in a fight with an injury = Not being able to win from behind? Not to talk about the fact that he actually kept the fight close and eeked out a win despite the obvious injury?

Yeah, you're definitely special in the head.

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All bull****. Floyd landed more punches in round 6 of the Pacquiao fight and Manny still won the round on all three of the scorecards because he landed the harder shots. I've seen every Floyd fight and watched some several times. He is superior to James Toney, has better conditioning, better control of range, and far superior footwork. Floyd has never had his butt kicked for 9 rounds because he has the talent to not let that happen.

Floyd has fought many aggressive fighters and has always had a way of taming their aggression and forcing them to fight his fight. Manny Pacquiao has ALWAYS lowered his punch output when faced with a good counter puncher. Nothing in Manny's career indicates he would have ever beaten Floyd. Freddie Roach's comments make it seem as if Manny's team waited for Floyd to get old and not vice versa. He's even quoted as saying Floyd would have beaten Manny five years ago and Manny had a better chance of beating Floyd in 2015 as opposed to 2010 because of Floyd's age. Remember it was Pacquiao's team who walked away from the initial negotiations in 2010 only to agree to Floyd's demands in 2015. We would have seen this fight much earlier if Manny hadn't been such a diva.

what a surprise you think compubox is accurate. that shows that you don't really care about facts or nuance when breaking down fights. derp well the compubox machine said floyd is winning so he must be.

if you think manny was as aggressive in 2015 as he was in 2009/2010 then you are insane. did you miss his fights against algeiri, rios, and bradley? the last time pac tried to be aggressive he got ktfo. since then he has been pac the boxer which obviously suits floyd better. just like when floyd fought cotto it was cotto the boxer. those fighters had to evolve to stay relevant in boxing because their age didn't let them do the same style. that's a young man's style and although they are very good at traditional boxing they aren't as good as floyd so floyd picked them after they had changed.

floyd was the one who kept changing his demands. he was clearly holding up the fight. he even admitted this after the fight. if you had followed that whole situation you would know it was cbs and showtime that forced floyd to fight pac because they were losing money on the floyd deal so they said its pac or nobody.

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Hahaha ****ing boolshlt yo. Floyd's vagina got in the way of the fight earlier. Just like when he called out Williams Martinez winner then ran away, just like he ran away from Winky Wright negotiations, and prime Cotto remember? "He lives in Puerto Rico doe! Too far away!". Please justify fighting Sharamba Mitchell instead of Kosta Tzyu and fighting Baldomir instead of Margarito i'm waiting.

floyd actually fought sharmba instead of margarito. it was 4 million for sharmba or 7 million for margarito and guess who he picked? but don't worry if floyd beats margarito in 2016 then his ducking in the past doesn't matter because he fought him eventually! was he the same? no but who cares floyd won!