Comments Thread For: Goossen Blames Matchmaking for Chavez Jr Loss in April

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Trainer Joe Goossen got only one crack at training former WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., and the end result saw him quit on his stool on the night of April 18th at the StubHub Center in Carson, California. The sour ending produced a down pouring of beer from the rafters.

Goossen, who was forced to train Chavez Jr. at a ski resort in Lake Tahoe and not his preferred setting of the Ten Goose Gym in Van Nuys, believes in looking back that facing tough light heavyweight contender Andrzej Fonfara was a mistake.
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[bigdunny1]

It was bad matchmaking but a lot of that is because of Chavez and the fact that he hadn't faced a decent opponent since 2012 when he fought Martinez and can no longer squeeze himself down to 160. After that you had two long layoffs one because a failed drug test and another because he backed out the GGG fight and was beefing with his promoter. Sandwiched in there two fights against that bum Vera who got robbed in the first fight. You can put him in the ring with another bum now because he's coming off a loss. But you can't go from passing on GGG to fighting a no named guy. So they had to get a quality opponent. Problem is the weight which falls on chavez. They didn't think he could make 168. And we see now when he fights a guy his own size he gets murdered.

His only success was at 160 where he fought guys with a 20lb advantage but now he can't make 160 anymore. Maybe they could of gotten a lesser fighter at 172 to fight him but eventually this was always going to happen when he started fighting decent guys his own size. Chavez is just not very talented and clearly doesn't have much heart or the work ethic to beat fighters without the deck totally being stacked in his favor (cherry picked middleweights for a natural light heavyweight).

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Chavez out of everybody should be the last one crying about someone being too big.

[KTFO]

Fonfara is too big, too strong, and too good for any version of Chavez Jr.

[HEND]

Blame it to the fact that he is simply not good enough. Good that he mentioned it, now I maybe rewatch how he got beaten to a pulp by Fonfara.

[Mitchell Kane]

'you could've picked an easier guy'

So who picked Fonfara?

His manager? His promoter? SHO? JCC Jr.?

[ostinato]

Boxing 2015: Where we focus more on how to actually make a fighter look good, instead of actually making the fighter good.

[Cinci Champ]

there is no doubt haymon is not babying his stars anymore look at chavez and broner even porter. since the pbc has started the fights are only getting harder the only one being babied is khan and u could argue thurman. but i think they are babying themselves when it comes to those 2 but he is letting his fighters fight which is a good sign. I think i speak for everyone that we were afraid pbc would be nothing but a money grab showcase events but the reality has been different and it seems to be only getting better

[bigdunny1]

there is no doubt haymon is not babying his stars anymore look at chavez and broner even porter. since the pbc has started the fights are only getting harder the only one being babied is khan and u could argue thurman. but i think they are babying themselves when it comes to those 2 but he is letting his fighters fight which is a good sign. I think i speak for everyone that we were afraid pbc would be nothing but a money grab showcase events but the reality has been different and it seems to be only getting better

Not true just because Chavez and Broner lost means more about them not being very good then them not being protected. A catchweight was put in for both fights to give Chavez and Broner an advantage by trying to drain both their opponents. And both Chavez and Broner went into the fights as favorites. And neither Porter or Fonfara were considered the best in their weight class and both were coming off of recent losses that potential vulnerability is the only reason they got their fights. Maybe Broner and Chavez are just hype jobs and not very good and when they stepped up to decent competition they got exposed. But Haymon put both in position to win by not putting either guys against better fighters in the division and having the catchweight in their favor. Don't try to spin this as a positive for Haymon when it's really just a negative on the fighters not being very good.

Now I seen it all Haymon defenders trying to give him a pat on the back even when his top fighters get upset and lose SMH

[tiliheels]

Not true just because Chavez and Broner lost means more about them not being very good then them not being protected. A catchweight was put in for both fights to give Chavez and Broner an advantage by trying to drain both their opponents. And both Chavez and Broner went into the fights as favorites. And neither Porter or Fonfara were considered the best in their weight class and both were coming off of recent losses that potential vulnerability is the only reason they got their fights. Maybe Broner and Chavez are just hype jobs and not very good and when they stepped up to decent competition they got exposed. But Haymon put both in position to win by not putting either guys against better fighters in the division and having the catchweight in their favor. Don't try to spin this as a positive for Haymon when it's really just a negative on the fighters not being very good.

Now I seen it all Haymon defenders trying to give him a pat on the back even when his top fighters get upset and lose SMH

broner rehydration clause was pulled...no wrong u can say about petterson or garcia neither guy is staying at 140 so their cw did not matter or mean anything to sactioning body..thurmanghost is not complaints..tony harrison who could be up next in with nelson was a huge bout, spence seeking thurman..it's not a money grab..he's putting on huge cards and his stable is being tested unless they ahve shown to be dukcers like khan and he still got th fight of his life and u can bet algieri will be back on