Wladimir Klitschko is the best p4p boxer in the last ten years

[Elroy1]

Hahaha you are such a bad poster that its almost good. To answer one of your previous comments: Wlad does not have a single fighter on his resume that is likely to get into the HOF not ONE. You are lucky he is highly regarded as he is, you should learn to accept it, rather than make him unpopular with these ****** mindless posts.

In terms of the thread, I would have Wlad in the top 10 maybe the top 5 if I am being generous. But he is not a p4p type fighter anyway, I can't regard him as such when his sole defensive technique is holding. His main gift is that he is a highly athletic and coordinated big man, but I think he'll get exposed as soon as he fights a tall fighter who can actually fight. To be honest it could happen in his next fight, I think if he doesn't take Fury out early he could end up getting a beating.

Oh so you don't think that..

- Alexander Povetkin
- Bryant Jennings
- Kubrat Pulev
- Ruslan Chagaev
- Samuel Peter
- Tony Thompson
- Hasim Rahman
- Sultan Ibragimov
- Eddie Chambers
- Chris Byrd
- David Haye

or any others will ever get into the HOF?

Absolutely moronic!

More the point name the list of HOFers that could have beaten any of those guys above? THAT would be a VERY short list!

Any as stated, anybody who argues with HOF is a complete ******! That is the WORST argument possible because achieving ATG or HOF takes into account NOTHING that comes after! It is a "nut bag" argument!

Wlad's defence is based around his range and strength and weight that's true, but equally on his superior speed, footwork, timing and coordination and balance.

Wlad's defence is not merely holding but perhaps even more importantly, counterpunching and skipping out of harms way when possible or desirable. He hardly ever gets hit is the main point.

You have exposed yourself as a complete fool!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He is the best p4p HEAVYWEIGHT since the days of lennox, evander, etc...


But he is nowhere as skilled as manny, floyd, ward, hopkins, calzaghe

[Ryn0]

I would have believed that before Stiverne fight, I now think Wilder will destroy Povetkin and probably beat Wlad/Fury winner. He's an underrated boxer. His jab is very nice, he actually evaded a lot of Stiverne's shots (one punch Stiverne missed so bad and fell into the ropes). His defense is underrated. Stiverne missed so many shots in that fight it was sad.

Wilder is far more than his right hand. Yes that's his best punch but all fighters have a best punch. Wilder threw almost double the punches Stiverne did and landed 37% while Stiverne landed 34%.

Wilder is very active, very long, with immense speed and power, great mobility and gas tank, and a solid chin. Those are the makings of a very good fighter. Povetkin had nothing for Wlad's length, I think the Wilder fight will be a horrible beating for Povetkin

We will come back to this when the fight happens, am 100% sure Wilder get demolished.

[BWC]

We will come back to this when the fight happens, am 100% sure Wilder get demolished.

Sure, no problem

[sunny31]

Oh so you don't think that..

- Alexander Povetkin
- Bryant Jennings
- Kubrat Pulev
- Ruslan Chagaev
- Samuel Peter
- Tony Thompson
- Hasim Rahman
- Sultan Ibragimov
- Eddie Chambers
- Chris Byrd
- David Haye

or any others will ever get into the HOF?

Absolutely moronic!

More the point name the list of HOFers that could have beaten any of those guys above? THAT would be a VERY short list!

Any as stated, anybody who argues with HOF is a complete ******! That is the WORST argument possible because achieving ATG or HOF takes into account NOTHING that comes after! It is a "nut bag" argument!

Wlad's defence is based around his range and strength and weight that's true, but equally on his superior speed, footwork, timing and coordination and balance.

Wlad's defence is not merely holding but perhaps even more importantly, counterpunching and skipping out of harms way when possible or desirable. He hardly ever gets hit is the main point.

You have exposed yourself as a complete fool!

None of those guys are going in the Hall lol. Make a thread and start a poll, and I guarantee you very few people would back any of those guys to get into the HOF.

How is it not important? Let me explain to you how sport works because you seem to be confused: You're accomplishments are measured by competition against others, in this case fighters. The better the fighters you beat the higher you are going to be regarded in that sport. Wladimir has not beaten one fighter who you can say that guy is a sure fire HOF'er, does that mean Wladimir himself is not considered a HOF fighter? Absolutely not, but it will count against him when you are talking about fighter of the decade and ATG status. He needs some big wins.

Yes Wladimir has good footwork to evade punches but he has no defensive guard whatsoever and his holding is illegal and he needs to do it otherwise he would expose his poor balance and defensive technique. Like I said he might get exposed against someone like Fury who is far from exceptional but is tall and strong and a good inside fighter to boot. If he does? Than what do we say about Wladimir? Probably that he wasn't as good as many thought he was, and although he is a great heavyweight, he is also a flawed one.

[Elroy1]

Your comments against Wladimirs skill in the second paragraph is not worthy of a response, there's never before been such an effective defence in HW history, EVER, not by any HW boxer.

As for HOF garbage, let me explain it to YOU...

All of these HOFers you speak of, achieved that status by fighting their OWN competition!! These opponents might have been good for THEM, but if Wladimir had fought those exact same opponents, fans would be absolutely outraged than Wlad had cherry picked such weak and mismatched opponents!!

The opponents Wlad fought and beat above conversely would have either totally clowned or straight out knocked out almost every single ATG and HOFer throughout history, without even training or breaking a sweat!

Times change...

Today's bums... Would be yesterdays champions...

And yesteryears champs... Would today be ABSOLUTE TOMATO CANS!

[Craveman]

Ugh... you had to remind me the Povetkin fight... So much clinching

[El-blanco]

He is the best p4p HEAVYWEIGHT since the days of lennox, evander, etc...


But he is nowhere as skilled as manny, floyd, ward, hopkins, calzaghe

You know your history bro and you know there is no p4p best heavyweight. The hw champ is the best fighter, period. P4P was made up for all the other guys who don't compete at hw. It's for mythical fights and rankings, the "what ifs." In reality, the hw champ beats everyone.