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Lomanchenko is the most overhyped fighter on this forum
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Originally posted by moltres. View Postwalters going to ko him anyway soon.
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Originally posted by SugarRayCurtain View PostDitto
Not saying Loma isnt talented but he has a very long way to go
Hes not even on Mikey Garcias level yet, so he is very far away from any P4P status
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Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Postnah Rigo is way more ****ing overhyped, stop being an idiot
Rigo is in the p4p lists and has one good win, and it was a fight i picked him to win in
But that win doesn't put him in the top 10 P4P, people are getting seriously carried away
and who's overhyping Lomachenko?
He has good potential, but people are rating him on his future potential when he has four freakin wins not one of which was against a top fighter and one loss against the only top fighter he fought. Give him time to reach the potential before rating him on it people!
He's got a long way before getting to the top ten rankings. Currently, he's not even close. If you want to compare them, as you think Rigo obviously think Rigo is the overhyped guy with 'only one good win' let's have a look shall we?
I'm not saying this is you saying Loma should be there and Rigo not, but there are many people saying Loma should be in the P4P lists.
Lomas best win is Gary Russell. By far. It's his only good win. However, Russell had never beaten anyone of note, or even fought anyone of note. He now has one win over 33 year old, 55-10 on again, off again Johnny Gonzalez. He was famous as an untested TBA prospect. It was the very definition of a gimme title. A guy coming off a loss and the other guy unknown, untested prospect fighting for a vacant title.
The other three wins were against Jose Ramirez, Gamellier Rodriguez, and Chonlatarn Piripinyo. None of those three were champions, none had ever been champion and only one, Piripinyo, had ever fought for a title years before against Chris John and lost every round. None were ranked in the top of their division and none were number one, two or three contenders. Basically all three were just stay busy, get experience fights against guaranteed wins.
His lone fight against top opposition, he lost a clear decision against a guy who came in a few pounds over the limit, but who was also well past his best and on a sharp decline and was considered good timing to fight because of it.
All fine for a young, new fighter looking to get wins and experience. Not fine for a guy people are saying be in the top ten P4P rankings, or competing for a spot with guys like Rigo and Roman Gonzalez (yes, I've seen a couple of people mention this now). Gonzalez, a seven year, three division champion with wins over many former, future and current champions, including top P4P fighters.
Now you say Rigo has 'one good win'. That obviously being Donaire, a future HOFer. That one win alone puts him head and shoulders above Loma, even if it was his only good win. Considering the dominating nature of the win and level of opposition, a top five P4Per, that win along with his others puts him up for consideration. That's not his only good win though. So Rigo beat top P4P and future HOFer Donaire, Joseph Agbeko: a top 2x world champion, Rico Ramos: an undefeated 20-0 current champion, Ricardo Cordoba: a former WBA champion, and many top contenders and title challengers of the type that make up Lomas entire four win resume, like Kokietgym, Andrade, Marroquin, Kennedy, Casey, and A****sa.
As it stands, they don't even remotely compare. Loma has time, youth and already getting great experience, but he doesn't belong anywhere near a P4P list and the people suggesting he does are ****ing buffoons.
He has a Rico Ramos level win at the top of his resume and three wins on the level of Kennedy, Casey etc for Rigo. His one fight on the level of an Agbeko level fighter, he lost. He's fighting a solid guy up next that is back to the level of a Salido, so we'll see. Until then, and even after then, he's not near a top ten P4P list and that and needs to be given time to just progress and be given merit as he deserves, not for his future potential.Last edited by BennyST; 05-25-2015, 08:38 AM.
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Originally posted by Hype job View PostNot at all he's overrated as fk, he whooped Donaire but what has he done since? Nothing but beat on journeymen in Japan and other bums. He's completely overrated, if Loma beats Walters (very tough fight) he should without doubt take Rigo's sport in the p4p lists.
Originally posted by SugarRayCurtain View PostHes inactive and waits around too long to counter punch
Not a big puncher in his weight class
Runs around the ring a lot but barely throws for long periods
And he lost against Salido FFS, Salido landed 300 more punches lol
Rigo is a far superiour and even Gamboa
So much hype because of his amateur record but I dont care how many pro fights youve had, if you are truly Elite and P4P you shouldnt be losing to guys like Salido. Salido is not elite.
People act like Lomanchenko is top 10 P4P or even top 5. Ridiculous.
Originally posted by Ferrarijones View PostI'm not sure about a KO but I have Walters winning that fight. Loma is good and I respect his skills. He boxes beautifully but he is a bit overrated on here. He hasn't quite done enough to be P4P yet. Him beating Walters convincingly would do it for me but I think Walters is too big, too strong and Loma won't be able to keep him at bay for an entire 12 rounds. His punches are beautiful but they're not all that powerful so Walters has a great chance to do damage. Big, tough fighters who can punch will give Loma problems. We'll see how it plays out this fall. Can't wait!
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I pray to all major imaginary deities that this is in fact some kind of hungover attempt of a trolling and not indeed a true reflection of your alleged sanity.
You can do better than this, man!
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Originally posted by BennyST View PostThere are a lot of people claiming he should already be in the top ten P4P rankings. He's had five pro fights, 4-1, with one loss against the only champion he's faced so far. He's a great prospect and has an exciting future, but he is getting ridiculously overhyped already.
He's got a long way before getting to the top ten rankings. Currently, he's not even close. If you want to compare them, as you think Rigo obviously think Rigo is the overhyped guy with 'only one good win' let's have a look shall we?
I'm not saying this is you saying Loma should be there and Rigo not, but there are many people saying Loma should be in the P4P lists.
Lomas best win is Gary Russell. By far. It's his only good win. However, Russell had never beaten anyone of note, or even fought anyone of note. He now has one win over 33 year old, 55-10 on again, off again Johnny Gonzalez. He was famous as an untested TBA prospect. It was the very definition of a gimme title. A guy coming off a loss and the other guy unknown, untested prospect fighting for a vacant title.
The other three wins were against Jose Ramirez, Gamellier Rodriguez, and Chonlatarn Piripinyo. None of those three were champions, none had ever been champion and only one, Piripinyo, had ever fought for a title years before against Chris John and lost every round. None were ranked in the top of their division and none were number one, two or three contenders. Basically all three were just stay busy, get experience fights against guaranteed wins.
His lone fight against top opposition, he lost a clear decision against a guy who came in a few pounds over the limit, but who was also well past his best and on a sharp decline and was considered good timing to fight because of it.
All fine for a young, new fighter looking to get wins and experience. Not fine for a guy people are saying be in the top ten P4P rankings, or competing for a spot with guys like Rigo and Roman Gonzalez (yes, I've seen a couple of people mention this now). Gonzalez, a seven year, three division champion with wins over many former, future and current champions, including top P4P fighters.
Now you say Rigo has 'one good win'. That obviously being Donaire, a future HOFer. That one win alone puts him head and shoulders above Loma, even if it was his only good win. Considering the dominating nature of the win and level of opposition, a top five P4Per, that win along with his others puts him up for consideration. That's not his only good win though. So Rigo beat top P4P and future HOFer Donaire, Joseph Agbeko: a top 2x world champion, Rico Ramos: an undefeated 20-0 current champion, Ricardo Cordoba: a former WBA champion, and many top contenders and title challengers of the type that make up Lomas entire four win resume, like Kokietgym, Andrade, Marroquin, Kennedy, Casey, and A****sa.
As it stands, they don't even remotely compare. Loma has time, youth and already getting great experience, but he doesn't belong anywhere near a P4P list and the people suggesting he does are ****ing buffoons.
He has a Rico Ramos level win at the top of his resume and three wins on the level of Kennedy, Casey etc for Rigo. His one fight on the level of an Agbeko level fighter, he lost. He's fighting a solid guy up next that is back to the level of a Salido, so we'll see. Until then, and even after then, he's not near a top ten P4P list and that and needs to be given time to just progress and be given merit as he deserves, not for his future potential.
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