Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao Skips Sparring After More PED Testing

[Swarmfan]

For sure it impacts training. Like anything else, it affects some more than others.



"Conclusion *** for blood donation ***

The bottom line when it comes to blood donation is that there will be a notable drop in your performance, but the research to date indicates that your body returns to normal after about three weeks
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The article is referring to blood donation, meaning that a unit or more (probably not more at least in the US) of blood is removed from the body. 1 unit of blood is about 400 to 500ml , or about about pint of blood. The study which is cited in the article studied the effects of removing 450ml of blood from the subjects in a single session (highbeam.com/doc/1G1-332247470.html). That is some 30-ish times the amount drawn for these USADA tests. You cannot apply the effects that were studied in the paper that the article draws from to these tests. In simpler terms if you take 10,000 mg of ibuprofen at once you could die, but if you take 30 times less you could get rid of a headache....well I guess technically you won't have a headache if you are dead either, so.

[ADP02]

The article is referring to blood donation, meaning that a unit or more (probably not more at least in the US) of blood is removed from the body. 1 unit of blood is about 400 to 500ml , or about about pint of blood. The study which is cited in the article studied the effects of removing 450ml of blood from the subjects in a single session (highbeam.com/doc/1G1-332247470.html). That is some 30-ish times the amount drawn for these USADA tests. You cannot apply the effects that were studied in the paper that the article draws from to these tests. In simpler terms if you take 10,000 mg of ibuprofen at once you could die, but if you take 30 times less you could get rid of a headache....well I guess technically you won't have a headache if you are dead either, so.

I intentionally put the asterisks and added "blood donation."

So I was not trying to make it seem as though its the exact same thing.

Still, there are other points noted in there that one must consider. The initial test was conducted on non-athletes where the levels would get back to normal after 3 weeks time. They said it should affect athletes even more ....

Remember that Manny/Floyd will probably be giving blood samples at 5 different occasions. While it will not affect them as the link suggested but there is always some affects and that is all I and some others are saying.
Now, some of this can even be psychological. Furthermore, it affects everyone differently.

[Robbie Barrett]

Pac fans didn't have a problem with them for the Rios and Algieri fight. In fact they said he looked a better fighter than prior to his KO. You Pac Stans are really embarrassing yourselves with these excuses.

[Robbie Barrett]

They take less than a teaspoon (5ml) of blood per vial and these Pac Stans are comparing it to people who donate pints.

When a fighter gets cut in a fight the fight should be stopped automatically. I mean if a guy is too weak to spar losing a few teaspoons of blood, he must be too weak to fight.

[Swarmfan]

I intentionally put the asterisks and added "blood donation."

So I was not trying to make it seem as though its the exact same thing.

Still, there are other points noted in there that one must consider. The initial test was conducted on non-athletes where the levels would get back to normal after 3 weeks time. They said it should affect athletes even more ....

Remember that Manny/Floyd will probably be giving blood samples at 5 different occasions. While it will not affect them as the link suggested but there is always some affects and that is all I and some others are saying.
Now, some of this can even be psychological. Furthermore, it affects everyone differently.

haha okay, I saw the asterisks, but I didn't gather that that is what you were indicating, fair enough. If the argument from yourself and some others is that an effect, even a negligible one is an effect still, then of course I must agree. I have a difficult time buying that there is an athlete in existence whose body is so precisely tuned and balanced on a razors edge that such small amounts of blood are not compensated for physiologically in a **practically** imperceptible way. However psychologically, people often do get freaked out about blood, but I vacillate between thinking "at this level you need to just suck it up, hire a hypnotist or something!" and "damn I sympathize"...idk I guess we can agree that everything does something.

[ADP02]

haha okay, I saw the asterisks, but I didn't gather that that is what you were indicating, fair enough. If the argument from yourself and some others is that an effect, even a negligible one is an effect still, then of course I must agree. I have a difficult time buying that there is an athlete in existence whose body is so precisely tuned and balanced on a razors edge that such small amounts of blood are not compensated for physiologically in a **practically** imperceptible way. However psychologically, people often do get freaked out about blood, but I vacillate between thinking "at this level you need to just suck it up, hire a hypnotist or something!" and "damn I sympathize"...idk I guess we can agree that everything does something.

A friend of mine when he was about 20 years old fainted while donating blood. On another occasion, he was injured and began to bleed. This guy started fainting on me. I had to rush him to the hospital.

Like I said, everyone does react differently.

As for the psychological factor, it can sometimes be worse than the real thing. If your head says that it will affect you, it will! Remember that Manny already experienced it against Morales. He spoke about it way before any testing was being discussed.

He might actually be sucking it up as you say but this is a huge fight. The word is that he missed sparring due to testing. If he does this every time he gets tested, its not a good thing.

[Pac Tard]

pac "Ducks" drug tests 5-6 years ago, pac takes drug tests now which means he didnt do peds 5-6 years ago according to the pac-tards lol.

JMM the whiner and his solo fan!

[Pac Tard]

They take less than a teaspoon (5ml) of blood per vial and these Pac Stans are comparing it to people who donate pints.

When a fighter gets cut in a fight the fight should be stopped automatically. I mean if a guy is too weak to spar losing a few teaspoons of blood, he must be too weak to fight.

Certified F L O M O :*******:

[kdee]

The reason manny got knocked out by marquez was because of a blood test!

[Robbie Barrett]

The reason manny got knocked out by marquez was because of a blood test!

Imagine if JMM wasn't weakened from blood loss from his broken nose, he'd have clean decapitated Pacquiao.