How can PBC succeed with a limited roster of Haymon fighters

[Strategic1]

Yes, I know Haymon has signed many boxers. Reports have it at about 180.
OK. That's a good amount.

However, he has the PBC series now airing on NBC, CBS, Spike and now ABC/ESPN. PBC is replacing ESPN FNF.

How can he keep the quality up on matchups? Basic common sense, is that eventually the matchups will dry up. HBO isn't going anywhere. They're here to stay. Not sure about Showtime.

Top Rank surely will not work with Haymon. Roc Nation won't either. Not sure about GBP's current relationship with Haymon...But GBP, ODLH and HBO seemed to be focused on building a strong relationship with the Canelo signing. I don't see GBP working with Haymon much. They're clearly aiming on working with HBO long term.

Haymon has a 2 year deal with many of the networks. OK. Do you think the quality of matches will be sustainable?

I like his intentions. Boxing on prime time TV? Hell yea. This is great for boxing. But at the same time, there are some flaws in this business plan. The division amongst promoters and networks is a major hurdle.

I'm just doubtful PBC can be sustainable. ...Unless of course, they can sell the idea that prospects and up and comers are entertaining enough for prime time tv. I'm not so sure. They need quality names like a Thurman and Danny Garcia. They don't have enough of them.

[emre belozoglu]

I think the fighters will be fighting more often for a start

[Strategic1]

I personally think, PBC is all over the place. They should've just stuck with 1 network. And built a regular monthly show on the same night every month.

A show that is predictable ,..where viewers can expect quality every time.

Too many networks all over the place will lead to confusion.

[Strategic1]

For the record, I want PBC to succeed. It has excellent potential to showcase boxing.

I just think the marketing behind it is flawed. If they are going to do this, they need to do it right. Boxing needs this to succeed.

[Dr Rumack]

How can he keep the quality up on matchups? Basic common sense, is that eventually the matchups will dry up. HBO isn't going anywhere. They're here to stay. Not sure about Showtime.

Haymon has a 2 year deal with many of the networks. OK. Do you think the quality of matches will be sustainable?

What quality of matches? Haymon has built his current position producing fights that aren't that interesting at all.

But this is where the rubber hits the road and Haymon is confronted not by Espinoza now, but the sporting public. So the question is whether he can produce quality in the first place more than if he can maintain it.

He's put together some interesting but ultimately mediocre matches for his big launch. And if that's his idea of going the extra mile to kick things off then I wouldn't be optimistic about what's coming down the line.

If Haymon is to make PBC a success then you'd imagine he'll have to change the strategy that got him this far, i.e. softly matching guys and overpaying them for those soft match-ups. I thought initially that he might not have to, but I'm not sure he can draw the ratings he needs if he doesn't.

Maybe he can. Maybe he can go back to putting his name fighters in with tomato cans and get viewers that way but I hope that's not the case. I hope the market forces Haymon to change his stripes and make matches that are worthwhile. But time will tell. If he does have to do that, it will be interesting to see if his fighters still think he's the second coming.

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By pretending they're the best and ignoring the actual champions/belts. Hence why they censored out Thurman's non-PBC title, and will probably try to phase out any non-PBC-approved symbols of rank.

Haymon alternate reality:
Unified undisputed heavyweight champion: Deontay Wilder
Unified undisputed cruiserweight champion: Beibeut Sumenov
Unified undisputed lightheavyweight champion: Adonis Stevenson
Unified undisputed supermiddleweight champion: Lucian bute
Unified undisputed middleweight champion: Peter Quillin
And on down.

Yes that's the B team if not the C team, but nobody watchin NBC is gonna know! Cha-ching!

[!! Shawn]

What quality of matches? Haymon has built his current position producing fights that aren't that interesting at all.

But this is where the rubber hits the road and Haymon is confronted not by Espinoza now, but the sporting public. So the question is whether he can produce quality in the first place more than if he can maintain it.

He's put together some interesting but ultimately mediocre matches for his big launch. And if that's his idea of going the extra mile to kick things off then I wouldn't be optimistic about what's coming down the line.

If Haymon is to make PBC a success then you'd imagine he'll have to change the strategy that got him this far, i.e. softly matching guys and overpaying them for those soft match-ups. I thought initially that he might not have to, but I'm not sure he can draw the ratings he needs if he doesn't.

Maybe he can. Maybe he can go back to putting his name fighters in with tomato cans and get viewers that way but I hope that's not the case. I hope the market forces Haymon to change his stripes and make matches that are worthwhile. But time will tell. If he does have to do that, it will be interesting to see if his fighters still think he's the second coming.

Haymon was able to do what he did because he could leverage stars to gain money for his prospects.

He could hold out Floyd to get money for a Thurman or a Berto, etc, threaten to move Floyd to another network if they don't give x fighter this guarantee, which he eventually did.

Now he is in the position of having a stable full of fighters expecting to be paid more than they are worth, and expecting to fight easy fights to get that money, and its not going to happen.

Sponsors wont pay for it, and he cant leverage fighters against sponsors, or viewers. The only way up is for him to put on entertaining fights, which it appears he isn't willing to do, at least at the moment.

So its going to be a very long road ahead for him, and with out attracting new sponsors outside of those that already sponsor boxing, like Tecate, he is going to fail.

[Strategic1]

What quality of matches? Haymon has built his current position producing fights that aren't that interesting at all.

But this is where the rubber hits the road and Haymon is confronted not by Espinoza now, but the sporting public. So the question is whether he can produce quality in the first place more than if he can maintain it.

Thurman vs Guerrero was a good matchup... at least it was Thurman's first real challenge to see if he can beat a top 10 welterweight. The others were so-so.

For the ratings to be solid, Haymon would need to put on good shows. The public isn't ******. If the matchups aren't competitive, they won't be entertaining. If the matchups end up being Garcia-Salka like, then eventually PBC will fall flat.

[Strategic1]

By pretending they're the best and ignoring the actual champions/belts. Hence why they censored out Thurman's non-PBC title, and will probably try to phase out any non-PBC-approved symbols of rank.

Haymon alternate reality:
Unified undisputed heavyweight champion: Deontay Wilder
Unified undisputed cruiserweight champion: Beibeut Sumenov
Unified undisputed lightheavyweight champion: Adonis Stevenson
Unified undisputed supermiddleweight champion: Lucian bute
Unified undisputed middleweight champion: Peter Quillin
And on down.

Yes that's the B team if not the C team, but nobody watchin NBC is gonna know! Cha-ching!

It's kinda funny. Haymon is trying to make his own UFC. The problem is,..he doesn't have control/promotion over some of the best fighters in the world with cross over appeal..

[Dr Rumack]

For the ratings to be solid, Haymon would need to put on good shows. The public isn't ******. If the matchups aren't competitive, they won't be entertaining. If the matchups end up being Garcia-Salka like, then eventually PBC will fall flat.

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