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    Some keys to victory for both fighters.

    Floyd


    - Floyd needs to keep the measuring stick up at all times. Keep it on Manny's face as a decoy to set up your offense, but use it to measure/anticipate Manny's oncoming ambush attacks. Manny can't really effectively set up his double pawing jab-straight left or jab-straight left-jab combos if he has to deal with his opponent's lead hand sticking to his face and blinding his frontal vision. He'll still try to throw his bread and butter combos, but the lead hand is your alarm system and as soon as your opponent try to parry it, you should have enough time to get the hell out of there or simply duck under the straight left if you couldn't pivot out in time.

    The lead hand control is arguably just as important as the stiff jab. The stiff jab is useful because it's not only a scoring punch, but it's very disruptive and can offset an opponent's oncoming attack lunging in. The lead hand measure is useful for a lot more tactics defensively and offensively.

    -Offensively, you can blind your opponent's frontal vision with it and shoot a few straight punches downstairs. It's basically a decoy/distraction to set up power punches and you're less likely to get hit with a counter shot because your opponent has to be defensively responsible and focus on what you're doing with the lead hand. It's a quick maneuver. Lead hand distraction to occupy your vision upstairs, straight right hand downstairs. It's a lot safer than just trying to throw a lead straight right hand downstairs, in which case, your opponent is more likely to counter you with a hook or uppercut because he only has to focus on your power hand without the lead hand being used to distracts him.

    -Defensively, you can use it as an alert system to get out of there. If you have your measuring stick up and your opponent has his lead hand up as well, he'll have to try to bypass your lead hand to sneak through with his power punch down the middle. As soon as he tries to parry it, you can quickly pivot out to another angle and force him to reset. If you can't pivot out in time, you can simply duck under the straight left and smother him or duck under the straight left and pivot out of there. As soon as you retain your balance, keep the the lead hand on his face again to control the fight.


    This is how to use your reach 101 and make your reach advantage count. As long as Floyd doesn't constantly backs up on the ropes in a straight line, uses his lead hand to control the fight, i wouldn't be surprised if he pitches a shutout.






    Manny


    -Manny needs to take advantage of some of Floyd's bad habits. Floyd has a tendency to back in a straight line and rest on the ropes. Manny isn't going to try to force an inside fight and try to smother Floyd's range the way Maidana, Oscar, Hatton, etc, It's not his style. He'll just jump in and out with straight punches. If you cover up, he'll just step to one side and throw a few roundhouse looping hooks around your guard.

    Even if Manny doesn't always lands accurately when he has an opponent on the the ropes, he still throws enough to outwork his opponent. If he carefully takes advantage of Floyd's habit of staying on the ropes longer than he has to, then Pacquiao can not only catches him with those straight in and out punches, but he can hurt and outscored Floyd.




    -Manny needs to take advantage when Floyd isn't using the lead hand to measure the distance or anticipate oncoming attacks. Ortiz only imposed his size and landed the very few straight punches he landed after Floyd dropped his lead hand down.


    Ortiz couldn't effectively set up anything when Floyd kept the lead hand up and measured the distance. He completely shutdown Ortiz's offense with the use of his lead hand. The more Ortiz tried walked in, the easier he got hit with a few right hands that caught him on the way in. Manny needs to take advantage when Floyd rests his lead hand by his waist because if Floyd keeps that stick on his face, then Manny won't be able to set up the 1-2-1 or 1-1-2 effectively.


    The lead hand will signals Floyd of what's coming and it's up to him to get ready to move out, duck under, or get hit. Trying to keep your lead hand up for 36 minutes can be tiresome. That arm will get a bit weary after a while when you extend out like that and that's why even if it's an effective tactic used by the likes of Floyd and Rigondeuax, they don't do it for 36 minutes because they can't do it. They have to let their lead hand rest a bit and that's when Manny should look to take advantage by setting up the 1-2-1 or 1-1-2.
    Last edited by Carpe Diem; 02-24-2015, 07:47 PM.

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      Originally posted by Muh Du-rag View Post
      You're gauging this whole fantasy theory off one fight that he basically performed a shut out and had cramps

      Reaching...
      You're bringing up "cramps" in every single post. Seems like you're the one reaching.

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        Originally posted by johnm is... View Post
        Jesus Christ, ya goofballs. I'm not saying he didn't win every single round. I'm saying that he didn't cut the ring off.

        And Mayweather isn't Mosley. Mayweather beat Mosley the hell up. Mosley landed 2 shots the entire fight.

        And stop bringing up these "cramps" to make up for the fact that he couldn't cut the ring off. It's pathetic.

        Yes, he won every round. No he did NOT cut the ring off and pin Mosley.

        No, fighting Mosley isn't the same as fighting Mayweather.

        Christ you guys are dense.
        I don't see it.

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          We really need to make a "Leave Manny Alone!!" meme. 1 slightly negative remark and these cheerleaders go absolutely nuts.

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            Originally posted by johnm is... View Post
            Jesus Christ, ya goofballs. I'm not saying he didn't win every single round. I'm saying that he didn't cut the ring off.

            And Mayweather isn't Mosley. Mayweather beat Mosley the hell up. Mosley landed 2 shots the entire fight.

            And stop bringing up these "cramps" to make up for the fact that he couldn't cut the ring off. It's pathetic.

            Yes, he won every round. No he did NOT cut the ring off and pin Mosley.

            No, fighting Mosley isn't the same as fighting Mayweather.

            Christ you guys are dense.

            Cut of the ring or don't cut of the ring, what matters is that you win the rounds and the fight.

            If Floyd wants to get on his bike, go into survival mode and lose round after round. All the better for Pacquiao

            I would hope Floyd might want to aim a bit higher that just survival, but his health does come first after all.

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              Originally posted by johnm is... View Post
              We really need to make a "Leave Manny Alone!!" meme. 1 slightly negative remark and these cheerleaders go absolutely nuts.
              It funny that you take is so personally. Anyone would think you were Ellerbe

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                Originally posted by Muh Du-rag View Post
                I don't see it.
                Works for me. I don't really care if you do or don't.

                I'm in one thread defending him as a better combination puncher than Floyd, while suggesting that he can't cut the ring off in this thread.

                I'm not just blindly hating on Manny, the way you guys do Floyd. I just have opinions that apparently Manny fanatics can't cope with.

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                  Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                  It funny that you take is so personally. Anyone would think you were Ellerbe
                  You fools are the ones taking it so personally. I say he can't cut the ring off, and suddenly there's 9 of you crying about it, equipped with "cramping" excuses, to boot. While posting pictures of him.....not doing exactly what I said he can't do.

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                    Originally posted by Carpe Diem View Post
                    Some keys to victory for both fighters.

                    Floyd


                    - Floyd needs to keep the measuring stick up at all times. Keep it on Manny's face as a decoy to set up your offense, but use it to measure/anticipate Manny's oncoming ambush attacks. Manny can't really effectively set up his double pawing jab-straight left or jab-straight left-jab combos if he has to deal with his opponent's lead hand sticking to his face and blinding his frontal vision. He'll still try to throw his bread and butter combos, but the lead hand is your alarm system and as soon as your opponent try to parry it, you should have enough time to get the hell out of there or simply duck under the straight left if you couldn't pivot out in time.

                    The lead hand control is arguably just as important as the stiff jab. The stiff jab is useful because it's not only a scoring punch, but it's very disruptive and can offset an opponent's oncoming attack lunging in. The lead hand measure is useful for a lot more tactics defensively and offensively.

                    -Offensively, you can blind your opponent's frontal vision with it and shoot a few straight punches downstairs. It's basically a decoy/distraction to set up power punches and you're less likely to get hit with a counter shot because your opponent has to be defensively responsible and focus on what you're doing with the lead hand. It's a quick maneuver. Lead hand distraction to occupy your vision upstairs, straight right hand downstairs. It's a lot safer than just trying to throw a lead straight right hand downstairs, in which case, your opponent is more likely to counter you with a hook or uppercut because he only has to focus on your power hand without the lead hand being used to distracts him.

                    -Defensively, you can use it as an alert system to get out of there. If you have your measuring stick up and your opponent has his lead hand up as well, he'll have to try to bypass your lead hand to sneak through with his power punch down the middle. As soon as he tries to parry it, you can quickly pivot out to another angle and force him to reset. If you can't pivot out in time, you can simply duck under the straight left and smother him or duck under the straight left and pivot out of there. As soon as you retain your balance, keep the the lead hand on his face again to control the fight.


                    This is how to use your reach 101 and make your reach advantage count. As long as Floyd doesn't constantly backs up on the ropes in a straight line, uses his lead hand to control the fight, i wouldn't be surprised if he pitches a shutout.






                    Manny


                    -Manny needs to take advantage of some of Floyd's bad habits. Floyd has a tendency to back in a straight line and rest on the ropes. Manny isn't going to try to force an inside fight and try to smother Floyd's range the way Maidana, Oscar, Hatton, etc, It's not his style. He'll just jump in and out with straight punches. If you cover up, he'll just step to one side and throw a few roundhouse looping hooks around your guard.

                    Even if Manny doesn't always lands accurately when he has an opponent on the the ropes, he still throws enough to outwork his opponent. If he carefully takes advantage of Floyd's habit of staying on the ropes longer than he has to, then Pacquiao can not only catches him with those straight in and out punches, but he can hurt and outscored Floyd.




                    -Manny needs to take advantage when Floyd isn't using the lead hand to measure the distance or anticipate oncoming attacks. Ortiz only imposed his size and landed the very few straight punches he landed after Floyd dropped his lead hand down.


                    Ortiz couldn't effectively set up anything when Floyd kept the lead hand up and measured the distance. He completely shutdown Ortiz's offense with the use of his lead hand. The more Ortiz tried walked in, the easier he got hit with a few right hands that caught him on the way in. Manny needs to take advantage when Floyd rests his lead hand by his waist because if Floyd keeps that stick on his face, then Manny won't be able to set up the 1-2-1 or 1-1-2 effectively.


                    The lead hand will signals Floyd of what's coming and it's up to him to get ready to move out, duck under, or get hit. Trying to keep your lead hand up for 36 minutes can be tiresome. That arm will get a bit weary after a while when you extend out like that and that's why even if it's an effective tactic used by the likes of Floyd and Rigondeuax, they don't do it for 36 minutes because they can't do it. They have to let their lead hand rest a bit and that's when Manny should look to take advantage by setting up the 1-2-1 or 1-1-2.
                    A well thought out post.

                    Floyd's jab will be interesting, see how it deal with the southpaw stance.

                    I'm sure Manny will be working on a the already excellent right hook. If Floyd is just continuously firing out that constant jab, Pacquiao will make him pay with right hook counters.

                    When ever Pacquiao throws the left, he has to pivot away, to stop Floyd for countering.

                    I really think Floyd will try and spoil in this fight as well.

                    Pacquiao needs to set a high pace and Floyd will tire before him, because Floyd fights a much slower pace than Pacquiao.

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                      Originally posted by johnm is... View Post
                      Works for me. I don't really care if you do or don't.

                      I'm in one thread defending him as a better combination puncher than Floyd, while suggesting that he can't cut the ring off in this thread.

                      I'm not just blindly hating on Manny, the way you guys do Floyd. I just have opinions that apparently Manny fanatics can't cope with.
                      I'll rewatch it tomorrow.

                      Are there any other fights that show this flaw?

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