Comments Thread For: Macklin Doubts Murray Will Survive Twelve With Golovkin

[Black Barty]

The guys you named are pathetic.

Rubio was blasted out in 30 seconds by Kofi Jantuah.

I never said they were great or anything. All I said is that at the time GGG fought them, they were top 10 middleweights. And that's a fact.

Want to prove me wrong? List the 10 names that were ahead of them. Go ahead, amuse me.

[Dr.Pepper]

I never said they were great or anything. All I said is that at the time GGG fought them, they were top 10 middleweights. And that's a fact.

Want to prove me wrong? List the 10 names that were ahead of them. Go ahead, amuse me.

Top 10 in a dead division isn't saying much...that's my point.

[Black Barty]

Top 10 in a dead division isn't saying much...that's my point.

I was replying to a poster who said GGG has never fought a top 10 MW. I pointed out he fought 4.

What you think about the MW division and how much you think a top 10 ranking is worth is irrelevant in this context.

[Eastcoast]

This is his description of the knee problems:

Fact is Sergio never turned in a performance to give you any reason to think he had recovered from his injuries. He looked bad both times, it's just that Cotto took full advantage where Murray didn't.

If Murray had pressed Sergio early on, instead of practically giving away the first 4-5 rounds, I think he could have won clearly. But I suppose he wasn't to know. Didn't become apparent how weak Sergio was until Murray got his ass in gear in the middle rounds.

... Thanks for posting the specifics...
... Then I was right...
... I've watched Martinez vs Murray live and immediately realised that "Maraviglia" doesn't move properly and suspected that his leg wasn't healed properly... I even posted here that he should have gone (in the first place) in the U.S. for surgery, recovery and physiotherapy...

While I agree the knee injury was a hindrance to Sergio, I think his being out of the ring and subsequently diminished punch resistance played an even bigger role.

One of the few people who picked Cotto over Martinez going into the fight was Stephen Edwards. I couldn't find his pre-fight synopsis, but here's his breakdown afterwards from B-talk that I felt was spot on.

ngtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=26521

Bread***8217;s Response: Thanks bro, here is the thing about the knee. Most people picked Martinez before the fight, now that he lost they make the knee out to be the reason. When I make a wrong pick, its just wrong. There is always a reason. People did the same thing when Manny Pacquiao beat Oscar De L aHoya. Before the fight they said Oscar would kill him then after the fight they said the weight loss drained him. Well they should have picked Oscar and Sergio!

I do think Martinez has slowed down. I do think he had some injuries. Of course they have to be factored in. But Cotto fought the perfect fight. Cotto was the fighter giving up 15lbs of natural weight, 3 inches in height and 5 inches in reach. He was also the one that lost 2 of his last 3 at the weight division below. He was up against in this fight, he just prevailed.

Even if Martinez was in his prime which I assume was between 2008-11, the Cotto that showed up in 2014 would have been a handful for him. Im not going to wrack my brain and try to tell you who would win but here is the problem for Sergio. He has never faced a fighter who can invade his space and be quicker than him. Martinez may be faster than Cotto from a p4p stand point. But hes not quicker than Miguel.

I have seen it hundreds of times in the gym where a guy 20 pounds lighter gives the bigger guy fits because hes lugging around less mass. Did you see that little bounce Cotto was doing? Who did that remind you of? Cotto's trainer, Freddie Roach knew exactly what he was doing. Cotto was quicker to the point of attack.

Sergio is an intimidator. He intimidates with his speed and his punching power. He was always the quicker guy on the draw. He would leave his hands down and dare you to step to him. If you did he would counter over your guard and under your guard. That worked well with slower hesitant fighters. But Cotto was able to invade his space and crack him. If Martinez was a prime rib Martinez he still would have been getting hit. Hes never been that hard to hit. Thats why he gets dropped so much. And we must note we have NEVER seen him in with a technically superior fighter who was as quick or quicker than him.


I think what hurt Martinez more than the knee was his inactivity. Fighters allow themselves to get out of shape too much. Ask any fighter after they have a fight and they rest for a week, they feel like crap when they start back running, hitting the pads etc etc. It takes about 4 workouts to feel better. Now imagine if you dont do anything for 4 or 5 months. Sergio has never sparred a lot. For this fight I heard his sparring was almost nonexistent. That is what I believe did him in. When Cotto hit him his brain hotwired. Taking a punch is a unique thing. Although taking too many punches will damage you, if you dont get hit enough your body will not respond correctly. I know this for a fact because when I used to box frequently in the gym I took a punch with no problem. I took off for a few stints and my last stint the punches felt different to me. So I stopped.
Ray Leonard never went down in 33 career fights before his first retirement. He comes back and gets dropped in his very first fight back by a non puncher. Sergio was already a guy who went down often. Now you factor in inactivity with a sharp crisp puncher and you have a problem. Cotto hurt Sergio about 8 or 9 times to the head or body. Sergio was not re acclimated to taking punishment and Cotto jumped on him so early he never gave him a chance to warm up.
And for the record Sergio was not complaining about his knee in the corner, he was complaining about his neck. He caught a hook on the neck. There was also a point in the fight where Cotto turned his back and Martinez ran after him. I honestly believe Martinezs age, inactivity and lack of fundamental defense was a much bigger problem than his surgically repaired knee.

[Dr.Pepper]

I was replying to a poster who said GGG has never fought a top 10 MW. I pointed out he fought 4.

What you think about the MW division and how much you think a top 10 ranking is worth is irrelevant in this context.

You're right.

[Mr.Daddy]

IMHO Douglas's chance of beating Tyson was almost a sure thing compared to Murray's chances against GGG - at least that's how I saw it (but I did not wager one cent on the fight). As I see GGG vs Murray, Murray has next to no chance of winning.

[Black Barty]

You're right.

As always. Except when I'm arguing with the wife. Then never.

[Dr.Pepper]

As always. Except when I'm arguing with the wife. Then never.

haha

I feel you.

[Mick Higgs]

It looks like the Brummy plastic Paddy has a few mental issues here!

[Beercules]

Can someone find the video of Macklin breaking down how it's like to fight GGG? I will give points