Comments Thread For: Marquez: Mayweather Won't Be Greatest With Pacquiao

[A-Wolf]

[joesaiditstrue]

I DIDNT KNEW HE TESTED POSITIVE AGAINST PACQUIAO.

Oh wait... He's never tested positive for any kind of PED.

And yet, when all the attention was on Pacquiao in 2009 for knocking out bigger guys than him, people accusing him of use of PED's, he just stopped knocking guys out, and still can't knock C- fighters such as Rios and Algieri.

pacquiao didn't have back acne at 40 years old and put on about 15 pounds of pure muscle, and hire a known PED chemist

are you serious bro?

[mneronava2k]

First of all, english is not my first language.

Clearly on your statement above(the bold ones), you are proving yourself a PAC hater.Saying that Marquez outboxed Manny was laughable.

If Marquez really outboxed Manny, why Marquez didn't won in their first 3 fights. And don't tell me the 3rd fight was robbery, because that fight was so close.

1st Fight - This was a close fight but Pac knockdown Marquez 3 times and Pac didn't won the fight because of an incompetent judge.
2nd Fight - This was another close fight too but Pac knockdown Marquez again and Pac won the fight.
3rd Fight - This fight was draw for me.

You said "Steroids didn't knock out Pacquiao--Marquez did". Are you telling me steroids have nothing to do with Marquez having new found power especially in this stage of his career? and that is why I asked you before, "If steroid was okay to use, then why do we need drug test at all?"(There I revise my question). It seems to me, as long your favorite fighter wins, it was okay for them to cheat.

Lol When did I say I didn't accept the lost of Pac to Marquez? As a Pac Fan, I accepted his lost long time ago but I also noticed the continuous evidence of Marquez using Peds. That is why I'm losing my respect to him.

Last question,
Do you agree with me that Marquez was on PEDs?

You don't accept the loss because you're mentioning PED's as some sort of evidence walking into a right hand. I don't think It would have mattered either way. So marquez being on steroids is a moot point. Marquez has always had good power.

And, I'm not Pac hater at all. I'm a fan, he's one of my favorites. But, I do think his fans do him a terrible disservice by being such fan boys.

To answer your question: I'm uncertain he's on ped's. Marquez has always been into alternative training regiments. And, PEDs can possibly be excusable by him. But, I think it's equally (maybe more) likely that manny was on peds. People from his own camp were dirty. Roach has accused the last strength and conditioning guys of peds. So, there you go.

Again, I'm a manny fan--it's his dumb fans I dislike.

Ps. Marquez outboxed manny in fight 3

[therealpugilist]

Only on NSB can excitement=greatness

I'll take the dominant guy beat good comp over a guy struggling


I'm not gonna penalize greats like sugar Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Pernell Whitaker for making it look easy before they were noticeably past it


If that's the case Arturo gatti is the greatest ever

Mayweather is one of the greatest fighters ever without question n he has a case for being the goat depending on criteria


Its all about winning...problem with some people is they love exciting losers than a clear dominant winner, I guess people relate to struggling.... **** that its my job as a fighter to win as easy as possible same as a trainer... Marquez was labeled as boring for most his career until he started to slow down and show toughness... Pulling through and adapting illustrates greatness not cheers from the crowd

[Flash13]

Mayweather is one of the greatest fighters ever without question n he has a case for being the goat depending on criteria

I'm just curious on which win does he make the case for being the goat?!

This just reminds me when floyd was dogging SRL for losing to Duran. Yeah its completely unacceptable that SRL lost to someone 3x better than anyone on your resume floyd.

[therealpugilist]

I'm just curious on which win does he make the case for being the goat?!

This just reminds me when floyd was dogging SRL for losing to Duran. Yeah its completely unacceptable that SRL lost to someone 3x better than anyone on your resume floyd.

I never said he was the greatest ever but some will and can


Mayweather is smart enough not to let pride let him fight the wrong fight...Duran's only shot was a dust up and he knew it

There are no time machines so a fighter only has the comp there and really PAC is only what's left, people say he ducked certain fighters but that's sound irrational considering he beat other fighters who were better and more accomplished than them.


Skill, number of title fights, champions defeated, defenses, etc. Looking at the facts and not opinions or biased, you'd know he is in the convo as the goat along with Armstrong, srr, greb and pep


Willie pep Is routinely in the top 5 atg great lists also is my all time fav and Floyd edges him in all those criteria... Just a fact as far as title fights, defenses, champions hall of famers defeated, lineal titles etc

[Flash13]

I will agree for sure Floyd is an ATG fighter, but if were talking at the top of the list then no. Floyd has no ATG wins to speak of... Corrales is his best win, and compared to other ATG fighter's resumes, it's weak to say the least. Yeah he has wins over HOF fighters, but HOF fighters way past it. I mean his second best win is what hernandez? I'm not even sure he's in the hof.

Edit: For some reason i can't post long posts idk what's going on....

[ADP02]

The funny thing is all the people supporting this argument are newbies who came about at the twilight of Mayweather's career. Mayweather reach this height by being one of the most complete fighters ever. To be fair, he is on cruise control now. He just uses his ring iq to win fights.

I suggest, to whom believe mayweather has only been about defence, go back and watch the man coming up from 130 to his peak at 140, some of the most impressive display of sharp shooting, airtight defence, quickness, traps,and slickness you will ever see in a ring. I am saying this, because everytime I watch him now and say, "why this guy is so popular again?" I go back through his old tapes, and say, "****, this is why". Someone made a good point about his brittle hands, yes, I believe that contributed to his drastic decline in offense.

So Marquez is a newbie?

[ADP02]

Floyd ran around the ring against Baldomir and didn't care that the fans were booing him. That is what Marquez is talking about.

Floyd is a marketing hype. He picks and choses his opponents and admits to that. If they are risky, then he doesn't pick those ones but he would gladly pick a slow mo, low work rate, flat-footed plodder.


Why did he avoid prime Manny, Sergio Martinez, P. Williams, ......... because he knew that they can take away his precious 0 and his health may not be the same after those fights. Floyd even admits to "health comes first"

Floyd took away Maidana's gloves!!! That says it all!!!

[gamesworn]

You don't accept the loss because you're mentioning PED's as some sort of evidence walking into a right hand. I don't think It would have mattered either way. So marquez being on steroids is a moot point. Marquez has always had good power.

And, I'm not Pac hater at all. I'm a fan, he's one of my favorites. But, I do think his fans do him a terrible disservice by being such fan boys.

To answer your question: I'm uncertain he's on ped's. Marquez has always been into alternative training regiments. And, PEDs can possibly be excusable by him. But, I think it's equally (maybe more) likely that manny was on peds. People from his own camp were dirty. Roach has accused the last strength and conditioning guys of peds. So, there you go.

Again, I'm a manny fan--it's his dumb fans I dislike.

Ps. Marquez outboxed manny in fight 3

See ^^, you are still saying as if PEDS has nothing to do in Marquez new power, especially in his age. Did you watch his Alvarado fight. Even Max Kellerman had interview about Marquez using peds (even though he did not directly say his name).

I accepted Pacquiao's defeat long time ago in 2012. But I'm not blind not to see the continuous evidence of Marquez using PEds. I accepted his defeat BUT in my eyes NOW Marquez clearly cheated his way to get that win

And you believe Roach words. The guy creates different kind of story. It will be hard to tell if he was telling the truth or not.

Mayweathers has all the connection they can get in Boxing Community yet they can't find any hard evidence against PAcquiao using PEDs. Pacquiao sued them and they lost

You keep telling me as fanboy. All of us here are fanboys. As long your a fan of a certain fighters. Your opinion will always be a bias towards them. Like your bias with Marquez. Sure you like PAcquiao but you like Marquez more.

Here was an example for you as fanboy. You said that Marquez Outboxed Pacquiao in their first 3 Fights. Look how biased you are to Marquez. To say that kind of thing clearly you favor Marquez over Pacquiao.

Another example for you as fanboy. You're still denying that Marquez was on Peds and his new power has nothing to do with PEds, even with all the evidence popping out about him.

See those 2 examples. It showed how biased you are and the way you protected Marquez against his Peds allegation. I called that as Fanboy too. Like all of us here.