Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: Mayweather-Golovkin Will NEVER Happen!

[MC Hammer]

Fair enough on the first part. I could still argue some points but that's not iportant. What flaws are being exposed though?

I'm late as hell on this but I hope it reaches you. GGG has shown he is very hittable, his defense is sub par. Also Curtis Stevens was able to push him back, when this happened his offense was nullified.

[QballLobo]

Now that GGG is popping up on people's top p4p lists Floyd will not fight him. He doesn't fight those guys anymore. Hasn't fought a top p4p fighter since Cotto in 2012 (who was there mostly on rep than recent accomplishments).

[Reloaded]

when they instituted weigh-in a day before the fight- there will always be weight discrepancies at fight night. in a perfect world fighters would be fighting the same on fight night- i think that's what you are implying that fight night weight is all that matters?
in reality some fighters would rehydrate 20lbs and some would not. it is a common occurrences in this sport.
again floyd is not the first fighter that has fought at a weight disadvantage.

Im saying fight night weight is what matters because its the weight they fight at , in evaluating fighters and their performance on any given night its the one of most important elements of the battle and many a fight has been won and lost on the scales well before the bell rings .

The whole concept of fighting concerning man or beast in a fair fight is to be of equal weight , at least thats the ideal , thats why the weight classes were formed in the first place to try and bring some order to size , but as usual hustlers learned to manipulate those weight classes to take away the fair fight and give advantage to one of the contestants .

Look at the weights in game****s and pit dogs , a slight advantage in weight will get the smaller foe killed most of the time , look at the age old saying " all things being equal the bigger man in the fight will win " . The point Im making is weight is crucial at the top level of combat , there is limit to skills versus weight .

Now Im not saying its ALL that matters but its extremely important and by and large ignored by fans , or flip flopped depending on who there favorite guy is in the debate .

Now I can go along with a guy thats says Floyd can fight GGG at 154 so long as he also says Manny can also , or at the least is up on Manny for not fighting WWs , but when the you look at the common elements of Manny and Floyd and the proposed superfight between them , yet the opponents that fans want them to fight are at different ends of the scale , I cant fly with that , if its good for Floyd its good for Manny and visa versa , there is only 2-4 pound between them across there last 5 yrs of fights .

[AKAcronym]

I'm late as hell on this but I hope it reaches you. GGG has shown he is very hittable, his defense is sub par. Also Curtis Stevens was able to push him back, when this happened his offense was nullified.

Luckily I caught it. I still don't get the very hittable argument. He's hittable sure, but you can tell most guys are hesitant to put much into their shots because they know something is going to come back even harder. His defense is better than most give him credit for; I've watched enough of his fights and watched enough breakdowns of what he's doing to know he's doing quite a bit to not get hit that much and more so not often that clean. Yeah Stevens hit him and pushed him back a bit, but what do you think was supposed to happen? He shelled up pretty much the entire fight, and GGG being the offensively minded fighter he is, is going to have to take risks opening him up. He could've played it safe but he instead chooses to initiate. I find it funny that the Stevens fight is used so much. GGG was dominate for so much of the fight that the little moments Stevens had were blown up to be bigger than they were. Not saying he didn't have some moments, but GGG's face was hardly marked after the fight which leads me to believe not much really landed clean or with much force.

[HeroBando]

Im saying fight night weight is what matters because its the weight they fight at , in evaluating fighters and their performance on any given night its the one of most important elements of the battle and many a fight has been won and lost on the scales well before the bell rings .

The whole concept of fighting concerning man or beast in a fair fight is to be of equal weight , at least thats the ideal , thats why the weight classes were formed in the first place to try and bring some order to size , but as usual hustlers learned to manipulate those weight classes to take away the fair fight and give advantage to one of the contestants .

Look at the weights in game****s and pit dogs , a slight advantage in weight will get the smaller foe killed most of the time , look at the age old saying " all things being equal the bigger man in the fight will win " . The point Im making is weight is crucial at the top level of combat , there is limit to skills versus weight .

Now Im not saying its ALL that matters but its extremely important and by and large ignored by fans , or flip flopped depending on who there favorite guy is in the debate .

Now I can go along with a guy thats says Floyd can fight GGG at 154 so long as he also says Manny can also , or at the least is up on Manny for not fighting WWs , but when the you look at the common elements of Manny and Floyd and the proposed superfight between them , yet the opponents that fans want them to fight are at different ends of the scale , I cant fly with that , if its good for Floyd its good for Manny and visa versa , there is only 2-4 pound between them across there last 5 yrs of fights .

Theres more differences. Pac admitted that 8th division is too much and dropped the belt on the spot. Floyd holds on to his 5th divisional belt for 2.5 years, still sitting on the lineal belt

[T18Z]

I'm late as hell on this but I hope it reaches you. GGG has shown he is very hittable, his defense is sub par. Also Curtis Stevens was able to push him back, when this happened his offense was nullified.

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Golovkin holds the 3rd lowest opponent connect percentage at 22%. His defense is not sub-par, it's actually very good, especially considering he throws 73 punches per round, only behind Santa Cruz at 89.

I don't think causing a fighter to back up for a grand total of a few seconds, only a couple of times in the fight constitutes criticism of his defense whatsoever. Neither does using the example of Curtis landing 1/3 of his punches in the very little amount of "combinations" he threw.

Please, no more nonsense about his defense, it's a weak argument. Is it proven against the elite yet? No. Is it currently good against his current opposition? Yes, the stats prove that and so does the fact he's never been wobbled, hurt or knocked down.

Case closed.

[ThatDude44]

do you know anything at all about politics / matchmaking in boxing?


golovkin's been the most avoided fighter in boxing for the last year or so. nobody comes close.

I think Thurman's been more avoided. There's actually people that say they'll fight Golovkin whereas nobody but Alexander has said they'll fight Thurman.

[hugh grant]

Now I can go along with a guy thats says Floyd can fight GGG at 154 so long as he also says Manny can also , or at the least is up on Manny for not fighting WWs , but when the you look at the common elements of Manny and Floyd and the proposed superfight between them , yet the opponents that fans want them to fight are at different ends of the scale , I cant fly with that , if its good for Floyd its good for Manny and visa versa , there is only 2-4 pound between them across there last 5 yrs of fights .

Stop making excuses for Floyd not reaching his full potential and trying to hold Floyd back. Stop concentrating on what Pac is doing, and what Pac needs to do. He is FOTD and hasn't taken career breaks left right and centre, and there isn't much Pac NEEDs to do.
So FLoyd has it all to do, not Pac. Pacs been there, done that, bought the t shirt. Floyd wants to be TBE, when he isn't even the best of the last decade.
So don't hold FLoyd back, set him free, let go of the reigns.