Could Bruce Lee beat a Professional Boxer?

[DARKSEID]

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That's the type of fighting I want to see. All Strikes are allowed, and the referee keeps the fight off the ground just like the referee separates holding in boxing.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Yes it would, and most people think Bruce lee would and if you are in denial of that fact, you are a hater as ive said many times before. You show all the symptons of jealousy.

I'm not jealous of Bruce Lee. I admire Bruce Lee. You're just being ridiculous with your attacks. You have no basis for saying most people think Bruce Lee would beat Professional Boxers. That's an assumption. On Martial Arts and combat sports forums the opinion of how Bruce Lee would do in a fight is heavily mixed. I have defended Bruce Lee against hardcore haters for a long time.

Why you can't see that I'm a Bruce Lee fan is beyond me.

You are jealous and mistrusting right from the outset with your i cant find the souruce of bob wall interrivew on the internet, therefor i think its likely false.

I didn't say that I think it is false. I just want a source for it. Check out this thread I've investigated the matter.

And thats just not what normal people do, unless they got a problem. You wont find any MMA imply a Bob Wall interview is false like you have. A Bob Wall interiview saying how great Lee was, would just confirm just how good they already thought Bruce lee was. What Bob said wouldnt shoch them rather confirm what they thought already.

I agree. I just want to know the source for the interview.

There's nothing wrong or controversial about that.

But you do believe bruce was a bad ass already, youve got Bob Wall saying how he put serious pain on champs and shut them down like they never been shut down before. Youve got Delgado saying Lee was a awesome fighter, you got skipper saying hed pick Lee in any street situation. If that aint made your mind up i dont think me giving you a source of peter archer will help. You are just stirring again, its what you do.

There's no stirring going on here by me. If you're not willing to provide sources for your claims then that is a poor reflection on you.

That's the type of fighting I want to see. All Strikes are allowed, and the referee keeps the fight off the ground just like the referee separates holding in boxing.

It would be nice if Kickboxing was more popular. I prefer striking to grappling but ground and pound in MMA can be very exciting.

[Masters01]

That's the type of fighting I want to see. All Strikes are allowed, and the referee keeps the fight off the ground just like the referee separates holding in boxing.

Lol the fight you're talking about doesnt allow knee strikes or elbow strikes. What you want (that allows all standing strikes) is Muay Thai (Thai boxing).

[alexguiness]

Full ****** thread.

Bruce Lee was an ACTOR.

While I have enjoyed his movies, this myth upheld by the pyjama wearing fantasists that he could beat anyone on any day is simple deluded nonsense.

I find the geeky types who are obsessive about Bruce Lee are usually emotionally damaged and spend too much time playing with nunchuks in the back yard.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Full ****** thread.

Bruce Lee was an ACTOR.

While I have enjoyed his movies, this myth upheld by the pyjama wearing fantasists that he could beat anyone on any day is simple deluded nonsense.

I find the geeky types who are obsessive about Bruce Lee are usually emotionally damaged and spend too much time playing with nunchuks in the back yard.

Talk about full ******.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Full ****** thread.

Bruce Lee was an ACTOR.

While I have enjoyed his movies, this myth upheld by the pyjama wearing fantasists that he could beat anyone on any day is simple deluded nonsense.

I find the geeky types who are obsessive about Bruce Lee are usually emotionally damaged and spend too much time playing with nunchuks in the back yard.

Bruce Lee was a Martial Artist turned actor and he never stopped training.

In fact when he became a successful actor he was able to afford better training equipment and establish connections with other great Martial Artists.

Bruce Lee instructed world Karate champions and sparred with them. He was also known for accepting challenge matches from other Martial Artists who wanted to test their skills against him.

I'm not saying he could beat anyone on any given day. In fact I believe he would lose against elite Mixed Martial Artists but I think he would give Professional Boxers a good fight. I think he would whoop the average person including very fit and athletic people as well as most Traditional Martial Artists but there may also be guys out there who aren't involved in combat sports who could beat him including hardcore Martial Artists and street fighters.

[hugh grant]

I'm not saying he could beat anyone on any given day. In fact I believe he would lose against elite Mixed Martial Artists but I think he would give Professional Boxers a good fight. I think he would whoop the average person including very fit and athletic people as well as most Traditional Martial Artists but there may also be guys out there who aren't involved in combat sports who could beat him including hardcore Martial Artists and street fighters.

Thanks for your opinion, i'll reserve judgement on whether I actually think you believe half of what you just said though.

And let countless, countless people believe in the fact that Bruce lee would destroy any boxer not named Ali fast. And don't cry that countless think it, and in return no one will deny what you think. Or at least not whinge about it, like you are doing.

[hugh grant]

I'm not jealous of Bruce Lee. just being ridiculous with your attacks. You have no basis for saying most people think Bruce Lee would beat Professional Boxers. That's an assumption. On Martial Arts and combat sports forums the opinion of how Bruce Lee would do in a fight is heavily mixed. I have defended Bruce Lee against hardcore haters for a long time.

Why you can't see that I'm a Bruce Lee fan is beyond me.

Well, not really, as you seem to have a fear that because Jim Kelly said Lee was untouchable, and Bob Wall saying Lee beat champs with ease, people will think Bruce Lee is unbeatable as a result. You have made it obvious on many occasions that you dont want people to think Lee was unbeatable or untouchable. Your obviously aware that is a hardcore that do think like that. So you are full of contradictions and all over the place. Then you get defensive with and say its heavily mixed opinions?
As far im concerned some people are so spiteful towards Lee that they haven't even earned the right for people to believe their opinion is genuine. So because some underestimate Lee, your response is try to underestimate Lee even further, by saying what you say. Don't go around saying you don't underestimate Bruce again, because millions and millions will disagree with you. And then you will come back with people are overating Lee, like a vicicious never ending circle. JUst get off your crusade you are fighting a losing battle.

Stop crying a large portion of the human population think Lee is the big daddy when it comes to fighting.

I didn't say that I think it is false. I just want a source for it. Check out this thread I've investigated the matter.
I agree. I just want to know the source for the interview.
There's nothing wrong or controversial about that.
There's no stirring going on here by me. If you're not willing to provide sources for your claims then that is a poor reflection on you.

I don't think I care enough about what you think to provide a source. Because you will think what you think anyway. Peter archer saying Bruce lees speed and athletism was too much for Bob Wall, isn't really any more ground breaking news than what Bob Wall has claimed so I don't feel urgency to go throught hundreds and thousands of ****zines to prove a point to you.
Just don't cry about large portions of humanity thinking Bruce lee was the business when it came to unarmed combat. They don't care what you think, so return the favour.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Thanks for your opinion, i'll reserve judgement on whether I actually think you believe half of what you just said though.

And let countless, countless people believe in the fact that Bruce lee would destroy any boxer not named Ali fast. And don't cry that countless think it, and in return no one will deny what you think.

Bruce Lee beating Professional Boxers doesn't bother me the idea intrigues me which is why I made this thread. But of course you can't accept that I'm actually a Bruce Lee fan so you probably won't believe that.

This is how I see Bruce Lee measuring up against various fighters:

vs. Boxers - Bruce Lee's advantage over Boxers is knowing more fighting techniques. Bruce Lee studied Boxing so he knows a Boxers strengths and weaknesses. Elite Boxers have more fighting experience than Bruce Lee and some have superior athleticism while others have superior size. The Boxers of higher weight classes would give Bruce Lee the most trouble.

vs. Mixed Martial Artists - Bruce Lee doesn't have the advantage of knowing more effective techniques to use against a Mixed Martial Artist. Mixed Martial Artists have the advantage of more fighting experience. The grapplers and wrestlers can take advantage of Bruce Lee's novice ground game. The Mixed Martial Artists in higher weight classes are a greater threat to Bruce.

vs. Traditional Martial Artists - Bruce Lee beats the less experienced Traditional Martial Artists. The more street fighting experience the Martial Artist has the more difficult of a time Bruce Lee would have with them. The Martial Artists who can match or surpass Bruce Lee in athleticism and fighting experience are the ones who can beat him. The larger the Martial Artist the more difficult it is for Bruce Lee to fight them.

vs. Street fighters - Bruce Lee beats most untrained street fighters. The advantage he has over them is actually training in the Martial Arts. The more experienced, athletic and larger the street fighter the more difficult a time Bruce Lee has with them.

vs. Average Joe - Bruce Lee beats nearly everyone who is untrained and doesn't fight regularly. The more athletic and larger the person the more of a threat they pose but Bruce can beat just about anyone who doesn't train and doesn't fight. The run of the mill tough guy who doesn't hesitate to get in a fight is no match for Bruce Lee and only has a remote chance if they're in great shape.

[MysticNinjaJay]

Well, not really, as you seem to have a fear that because Jim Kelly said Lee was untouchable, and Bob Wall saying Lee beat champs with ease, people will think Bruce Lee is unbeatable as a result. You have made it obvious on many occasions that you dont want people to think Lee was unbeatable or untouchable.

All lies. Believe whatever you want. It seems that you're too much of a fanboy to listen to reason. I'm a fan but I'm trying to be as objective as possible on this issue.

Your obviously aware that is a hardcore that do think like that. So you are full of contradictions and all over the place. Then you get defensive with and say its heavily mixed opinions?
As far im concerned some people are so spiteful towards Lee that they haven't even earned the right for people to believe their opinion is genuine. So because some underestimate Lee, your response is try to underestimate Lee even further, by saying what you say. Don't go around saying you don't underestimate Bruce again, because millions and millions will disagree with you. And then you will come back with people are overating Lee, like a vicicious never ending circle. JUst get off your crusade you are fighting a losing battle.

I've made my points very clearly. I think that Bruce Lee while a talented Martial Artist was not the best fighter in the world but certainly better than a lot of the haters think. People are both overestimating him and underestimating him. I don't believe I've done either.

Stop crying a large portion of the human population think Lee is the big daddy when it comes to fighting.

A large portion of the human population don't have an informed opinion on the matter. They can't articulate their views on the subject and they aren't involved in this discussion any way. Stop appealing to popularity.

I don't think I care enough about what you think to provide a source.

That reflects poorly on you then. At least I gave you an opportunity to provide one.

Because you will think what you think anyway. Peter archer saying Bruce lees speed and athletism was too much for Bob Wall, isn't really any more ground breaking news than what Bob Wall has claimed so I don't feel urgency to go throught hundreds and thousands of ****zines to prove a point to you.

Speaking of Bob Wall here's something he said about Bruce Lee that actually comes from a verifiable source.

From the Deadly Hands interview:

Wall: But Bruce felt threatened because he knew there were at least a couple dozen of us who were at least as fast or faster than him, and could hit as hard or harder. But see, he had this basic insecurity; he'd never been a world champion. He'd never competed. So here he was with real world champions and there was that difference. "Gee, I think I'm as good as you are, but you've done it and I haven't."

Deadly Hands: That is a very different view of Bruce Lee than many promulgate...

Wall: Bruce was a supreme egotist. Look. I liked Bruce. He and I were good friends. But I am also a realist about all my friends. Now, I really liked Bruce, in spite of his ego problem. I've never said this in an interview before because I felt well, he's gone. Might as well say nice things. And I'm not saying anything bad about him now. It was just a matter of creativity. Bruce had this intense creativity but he was very, very insecure. He had no confidence. What I'm telling you are the facts. What has been printed is mostly mythical, wonderful stuff. He was just insecure. He'd never competed, though we all felt he was good enough to become a lightweight champion. At 136 pounds he sure wasn't going to take and beat any Joe Lewis or Chuck Norris. But in order to be a world champion you also have to lose. Name me a champion and I'll tell you who he lost to. We've ALL lost. But Bruce didn't want to have an official loss on his record.

Now these are Bob Wall's words and he made 4 interesting points:

1. Bruce Lee was threatened by the world champions he worked with.

2. Bruce Lee had an ego and didn't want to challenge himself for fear of losing.

3. A lot of what has been printed about Bruce Lee is mythical and wonderful.

4. Wall doesn't believe that Bruce Lee would have beaten bigger world champions.

Now you'll probably dismiss this as just bitter talk like Joe Lewis or Vic Moore's comments. Me? I'm prepared to take the good with the bad. I'm interested in the real Bruce Lee and his real fighting skills not a mythical Bruce Lee manufactured by Hollywood that a lot of people buy in to.

Bruce Lee was in fantastic shape and a highly skilled Martial Artist. But he wasn't a professional fighter and he was a small man. I don't think he was the best fighter to ever live. It may upset you to hear that but that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Just don't cry about large portions of humanity thinking Bruce lee was the business when it came to unarmed combat. They don't care what you think, so return the favour.

Stop whining about me giving my opinion on the matter. I have a right to do that.