IF Ali did...

[Elroy1]

Yea it can. All I did was touch up on the elephant in the room that is Floyd's skillset. People want to talk around it or exaggerrate about how everyone he fights is a bum, to sweep his skillset under the rug. Im no f.lom.o but Im not going to act like he isnt the sharpest fighter skillwise in history.

Yea Floyd ducked Pac but SRL ducked Pryor and actually cherrypicked Hagler. I kind of think it would've been acceptable for Ali to duck because no one expected him to fight some of the guys he fought anyways.

I would not say Floyd fought nothing but bums, on the contrary I think he has an excellent resume.

And I agree, Floyd has the sharpest skills of all time.

But Pacquiao also has the opposite qualities that also feature prominently in line for recognition. It is entirely plausible that Pac could overwhelm Floyd's skills. If that isn't the case, it had to be proven.

Floyd clearly passes up this A level fight for B level fighters.

Ali never did this, and had he done those things in the list there is NO WAY he could receive as much recognition if he did!

I already consider Ali the most overrated HW of all time, and his supporters trip over themselves already trying to defend him, imagine if he didn't display the heart and fortitude that he did?

It's exactly these qualities ^^^ that won him such a strong fan base even to this day!

SRR ducked many fighters at certain times, sure, but SRR also fought 200 ****ing fights in his career one after another. It's obvious that you cannot have 200+ fights and fight top competition all the time!

Normally I'm arguing the other way but you cannot make THIS comparison with SRR "FAVOURABLY" for Mayweather!

[Daylyt]

If Muhammad Ali did the following during his career would he be regarded as TBE?

• Duck Joe Frazier
• Accuse Frazier of being on PEDs
• Only then fight Frazier when Frazier is at the end of his career
• Ask George Foreman to use extra safe Durex++ strength boxing gloves otherwise no fight
• Retire before the rematch with Ken Norton can be made claiming he needs a break

With all of these accolades into his career could Ali THEN be regarded as TBE?
Poll will be provided.

Absolutely not, he will be considered the biggest joke in boxing.

[MurkaMan]

I would not say Floyd fought nothing but bums, on the contrary I think he has an excellent resume.

And I agree, Floyd has the sharpest skills of all time.

But Pacquiao also has the opposite qualities that also feature prominently in line for recognition. It is entirely plausible that Pac could overwhelm Floyd's skills. If that isn't the case, it had to be proven.

Floyd clearly passes up this A level fight for B level fighters.

Ali never did this, and had he done those things in the list there is NO WAY he could receive as much recognition if he did!

I already consider Ali the most overrated HW of all time, and his supporters trip over themselves already trying to defend him, imagine if he didn't display the heart and fortitude that he did?

It's exactly these qualities ^^^ that won him such a strong fan base even to this day!

SRR ducked many fighters at certain times, sure, but SRR also fought 200 ****ing fights in his career one after another. It's obvious that you cannot have 200+ fights and fight top competition all the time!

Normally I'm arguing the other way but you cannot make THIS comparison with SRR "FAVOURABLY" for Mayweather!

I can agree on some of this. The main thing is that he is the best fighter ever based off of skills. Most people dont want to admit that and 18 yrs not being hit by a single shot, and training harder than the likes of SRL, and dedicating himself more than them as well, Its so unfair how everyone lies about it.

But you make some great points I can feel you on allot of things 100%

[Elroy1]

I can agree on some of this. The main thing is that he is the best fighter ever based off of skills. Most people dont want to admit that and 18 yrs not being hit by a single shot, and training harder than the likes of SRL, and dedicating himself more than them as well, Its so unfair how everyone lies about it.

But you make some great points I can feel you on allot of things 100%

I hate Floyd, he disgusts me.. I am a Pac fan. But I have no illusions about Mayweather's skills either, I know!

And I think SRR was dedicated just as much as Floyd but the sport is so much different now compared to those days it's barely the same sport.

In SRR's day it was perfectly acceptable to bum your way to 100-0.

Now days champs like Floyd are not allowed to fight bums, when someone calls a Floyd opponent a bum today it's a term of abuse but not especially true.

So I think we can reach agreement.

You were right.. It seems you weren't a hardcore ***** after all.. I like that!

[tangalog2200]

I agree that Floyd is more skilled than Ali but being TBE is more than just fighting several of the easiest option fights possible.
I'm in no way a huge Ali fan but you wouldn't see Ali duck the main fight that all the fans want to see and you wouldn't see him making excuses to not fight someone.

SRR and SRL wouldn't need to change up their style to fight the likes of Mayweathers opponents nor Mayweather himself...
I think both of these guys would take Mayweather in a fight SRL with a decision likely using a box and move tactic but pressurizing Floyd shooting in and out of range.
Robinson would likely stop Floyd especially so If it was a 15rd fight, Robinson you could argue has greater speed and just as good an ability of skill-set plus we all know SRR could mix it up in the inside he'd go to war with Floyd and finish him within 10rds.

Really the point of this thread is to compare a guy who has actually fought every challenger compared to someone who made a lot of excuses but this is the face of our sport that we love...
It doesn't paint the sport of boxing in the light that we want or need it to be.

a skill set is put to the test by the level of adversaries...

how can you say fighter A has better skill set than fighter B? more so if the levels of their opponents are heaven and earth?

ali is the goat...geatest of all times...

floyd is the goat...meee meeee meee

[tangalog2200]

yeah but Ali didn't go 49-0 like rocky marciano


#marciano #whitehope #koartist #hebeatjoelouisass #undefeated #stillgothis0

well a 0 is only as good as far as it goes....

so is 40-0-0, 46-0-0, 66-0-0 are these all in the same level of greatness?

how about if a fighter got 78-1-0? is this fighter much less in greatness?

[soul_survivor]

Come on now, Mayweather has beaten Ortiz, KO cold....how does that compare to anything Ali ever achieved? Floyd is easily better

[Elroy1]

a skill set is put to the test by the level of adversaries...

how can you say fighter A has better skill set than fighter B? more so if the levels of their opponents are heaven and earth?

ali is the goat...geatest of all times...

floyd is the goat...meee meeee meee

I bag out Floyd a fair bit, but the level of his opposition is pretty bloody good considering really. There was the obvious dodginess throughout his career that a lot pick on but by and large he was not allowed to fight bums.

Muhammad fought bums mainly...

Liston was a bum,
Frazier was a bum,
Norton was a bum,
Shavers was a bum..

And sadly, these were some of his best wins.

[tangalog2200]

I bag out Floyd a fair bit, but the level of his opposition is pretty bloody good considering really. There was the obvious dodginess throughout his career that a lot pick on but by and large he was not allowed to fight bums.

Muhammad fought bums mainly...

Liston was a bum,
Frazier was a bum,
Norton was a bum,
Shavers was a bum..

And sadly, these were some of his best wins.

well the way you use bum on those people only reflects back on you in two ways...

you are really new to boxing or have very limited appreciation of it...

or you are a true blue floyd fanatic that even floyd's dodging is good for you...

one who dodges can not be the goat....greatest of all time...but can be the goat meee meeee

[M Bison]

I bag out Floyd a fair bit, but the level of his opposition is pretty bloody good considering really. There was the obvious dodginess throughout his career that a lot pick on but by and large he was not allowed to fight bums.

Muhammad fought bums mainly...

Liston was a bum,
Frazier was a bum,
Norton was a bum,
Shavers was a bum..

And sadly, these were some of his best wins.

You could argue him losing the Shaver and all three Norton fights.
He lost to Young and Cooper aswell imo.