Comments Thread For: Froch Says No Thanks To Andre Ward, Eyes Chavez Jr.

[BetterCallSaul]

Why a rematch?

Ward beat Froch fairly easy in the first fight and Froch isn't getting any younger. Normally it's the loser that chases the rematch. The fact that Ward wants this fight more than Froch tells you that Ward isn't a draw. He should have moved on to bigger things after Froch but his career has stalled.

Froch simply has nothing to gain fighting Ward again.

[hitking]

Since you were an 'athlete', you seem to assume what you believe how a fighter should be is how the general consensus should be all over the sport. That's an arrogant and ignorant idea overall.

You should commend Froch. Fighters normally make excuses after loses yet he admitted Ward beat him very convincingly. Like I said before here if Froch had won a bogus decision and then went on to avoid ward, you might actually have a point. Right now, you don't have a leg to stand on

If you want to talk about principles about how boxers should be like, you should be having a go at Ward for his still ongoing lack of enthusiasm fighting outside his hometown and his arrogance towards bigger draws such as Froch + other things

So guys are supposed to bow down to bigger draws. So let's say a lesser draw was told he needed to submit to stricter drug testing, take a flat fee of say $40m, which doubles his career high payday, but get none of the PPV upside, and leave a promoter that the bigger draw refuses to work with. According to your logic, the lesser draw is at fault for that fight not being made because of his arrogance in not bowing down to the bigger draw.

[hitking]

Froch is closer to 40 than 30 with a wife and two kids. He has to make as much now because his career is one or two fights away from a close. He can milk some dough with wins over Chavez, Kessler and then go on to fight Ward.

Until Ward sorts out his legal issues, HBO is NOT going to back a pay-per-view. They have a strict company policy of not televising any fighter when there is a pending lawsuit between him and his promoter.

Neither Ward nor Froch are PPV fighters. Chavez Jr did well with Martinez. But since, his struggles with a journeyman in Vera and flat out unprofessionalism and lack of passion and respect had to have an affect on his fanbase. And on top of that he's not a good fighter. Froch is a star overseas. But he's pretty much a nobody in the mainstream over here and an unknown among casual fans. And I don't think Froch-Jr is a fight that a lotta hardcore fans that aren't fans of either are gonna purchase. I could be wrong. But I think that fight maxes out at 350K-400k buys. And while that's a good number. Is it a good enough number to pay each fighter what they would want? The fight makes the most money in London or Mexico. Will either of those guys be willing to go to the other's backyard?

[junior gong]

So guys are supposed to bow down to bigger draws. So let's say a lesser draw was told he needed to submit to stricter drug testing, take a flat fee of say $40m, which doubles his career high payday, but get none of the PPV upside, and leave a promoter that the bigger draw refuses to work with. According to your logic, the lesser draw is at fault for that fight not being made because of his arrogance in not bowing down to the bigger draw.

One track floydimper mind!

[BattlingNelson]

Froch is closer to 40 than 30 with a wife and two kids. He has to make as much now because his career is one or two fights away from a close. He can milk some dough with wins over Chavez, Kessler and then go on to fight Ward.

Until Ward sorts out his legal issues, HBO is NOT going to back a pay-per-view. They have a strict company policy of not televising any fighter when there is a pending lawsuit between him and his promoter.

I didn't know about that.

Somewhat off-topic, but that could have some major implications in regards to the GBP rift. Some of the fighters who is no longer signed with GBP will potentially be unavailable for a fight if Oscar starts a lawsuit.

[kafkod]

I really don't care about the financial part of it. I'm a former athlete and that's just how I'm built. If you beat me I wanna come back and beat you. That's just the way my mind thinks. Strickly from a competition standpoint, IMO Froch should be the one pushing for the rematch, not Ward. And to me not wanting the rematch speaks volumes about his true character as a man and fighter

Ward isn't exactly pushing for the rematch, Hitking. All he's basically saying about it is "If you want me, you know where I am." In other words, "fight me in the states again."
If Ward actually was pushing for the rematch, he could get it easily by coming to the UK, which he said he would do for Groves, if the offer was made.

[Ivansmamma]

The idea about a fight is basically to see who is the better man. We saw that in the first froch vs ward fight, it settled and no one disputes what happened. Ward wants to do it again cause he knows it's good money and he will win. Froch dosent want it again cause he can get better money and knows he will most likely lose.

Froch vs Golovkin is the fight i want to see, it can go either way. As that is not going to happen im ok with froch vs chavez jr. I have no interest in froch vs kessler III, Kessler is to much past prime.

[kafkod]

I really don't care about the financial part of it. I'm a former athlete and that's just how I'm built. If you beat me I wanna come back and beat you. That's just the way my mind thinks. Strickly from a competition standpoint, IMO Froch should be the one pushing for the rematch, not Ward. And to me not wanting the rematch speaks volumes about his true character as a man and fighter

It's well known that Froch defers to his trainer, Rob McCracken, on who he fights and where. He has said so many times. I noticed that after Bute and Kessler-2, Froch started talking about how much he wanted to fight Ward again. And both times, McCracken stepped in, saying that they would fight Ward in the UK, but not in the USA again, after which Carl went quiet about it.
I think if it was up to Froch, he would fight Ward in The States again. It's McCracken who doesn't want it there, for now at least. And it couldn't happen now anyway, because of Ward's legal issues with Goosen. You can't blame that on Froch's lack of balls.
And if Ward actually was pushing for the rematch, like you say he is, he could get it easily by coming to the UK. He has already said he would do that for Groves, so why not for Froch?

[Chaos]

The same f.uck ass clowns that get on here everyday b1tchin' about Floyd. And get on here b1tchin' about folks duckin' GGG. And who get on here b1tchin' about Stevenson chasing the money and telling Kovalev to kick rocks. And the same ones applauding Froch for blatantly ducking the best fighter in his division. Y'all are some f.uckin' clowns. And if I could, I would slap the **** outta y'all. And when you hit the ground I'd kick you in your f.uckin' heads till you stop moving.

How is he ducking if they've already fought? It's. Not like he's scared of getting hurt as Ward is the least dangerous option for him in terms of serious damage. Obviously if Ward was a draw the fight would be made, but you can't blame Froch for the fact that Ward is a bore and a non-entity in his own country.

Floyd on the other hand has been ducking the biggest draw in the sport (other than himself) for years because he's scared of getting hurt. Not exactly the same thing is it..

[slimshandy69]

i really dont see where the duck is.

Froch fought feather fisted andre ward and lost a close decision where he was neutralised.

Froch since then is number1 in the super middleweight division in terms of rank and draw.

Ward not only wont travel and fight froch, hes currently in legal battles. hes not exactly beat anyone thats made him lucrative.

its a no brainer....