What the hell is up with Andre Ward??

[IronDanHamza]

Wasting his career away.

He's already washed a lot of his prime.

Guy has done nothing of note since 2011. It's ridiculous.

Baffles me how he can be ranked so high on most P4P lists.

[Hougigo]

Yeah, probably. Groves beating Froch in May and then take on Ward later this year is more wishful thinking on my part. If Groves beats the crap out of Froch. I can see Froch start thinking of maybe retire from the sport and decides to take a looooooooooooooooooooooog break....LET'S BRING ON GROVES VS WARD

Froch wants to fight in Vegas before he retires... so maybe Ward could try there....but Froch gonna need money to come over and Ward will most likely not concede any money. Also, I think HBO would be worried about viewership, although I'm sure this'll do over a million

[#1Assassin]

Goosen has made Ward. Given him big fight after big fight. I obviously don't know the underworkings of their relationship, but why can't he just ****ing play it out. Instead he wants out now for a fight with Chavez jr. It's ******ed.

its not about the fights, its about the fact that he wants to be "captain of his own ship" as he puts it and goosen wont allow it. ward is a control freak and wants to be in control of his own career and he feels goosen is taking too many liberties.

for example he has stated he wants his manager at every meeting, negotiation etc with goosen, yet goosen sets up meetings with other promoters and negotiates fights without informing him. cutting him out of the process.

ward is a smart guy, he understands the dangers of letting one person have full control of your career. after goosen said one thing to his face only to do another behind his back he lost trust in him and now more than ever he wants other people to work for him. thats a big thing, he wants everyone involved with him to be on the same page as far as knowing they work for him and not the other way around. again, he feels goosen isnt.

thats how ward feels anyways, or how he says he feels at least.

[Hougigo]

Wasting his career away.

He's already washed a lot of his prime.

Guy has done nothing of note since 2011. It's ridiculous.

Baffles me how he can be ranked so high on most P4P lists.

IMO, because he's that good They're rating him on skills and not fights

[Kagami Taiga]

IMO, because he's that good They're rating him on skills and not fights

well its both. even tho he hasnt done anything lately, hes clearly one of the top 5 fighters in the sport based on what he has done and what he can do. its very hard to ranke a guy like bradley or an aged pac over him. when he fights, he looks unbeatable.

[MDPopescu]

When he was placed as #2 P4P, Ward's CompuBox Plus/Minus Ratings were next to Floyd's...

[Hougigo]

well its both. even tho he hasnt done anything lately, hes clearly one of the top 5 fighters in the sport based on what he has done and what he can do. its very hard to ranke a guy like bradley or an aged pac over him. when he fights, he looks unbeatable.

What I meant by fights was the frequency I guess. He's looked good in all of his fights, but fights only once a year. It's going along with Floyd being up on there when he only fought once a year

[Dirk Diggler UK]

My bet is they have a rematch clause if Froch loses

Mandatory so no

[Hougigo]

Mandatory so no

Would Hearns offer big money for a trilogy?

I don't know what Groves's deal is. He was talking about signing with an American promoter or something if he didn't get a rematch.

Sounds to me like he's better off money wise against Froch over Ward

[Kagami Taiga]

What I meant by fights was the frequency I guess. He's looked good in all of his fights, but fights only once a year. It's going along with Floyd being up on there when he only fought once a year

thats the crazy part. a guy who makes 20+ mil after every fight, considered the #1 guy in the sport in revenue and ability and is 37 years old fights more than ward.